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Again, you are bashing Z right now like he was never good. You obviously have never seen him play. He is much older now and it's very hard to run that quick at that age at that height, so you're comparison of the supposedly best center in DH12 who is more than 10 years younger than him and more athletic is barely of any value.
Yes he was good, pre-LeBron. But now he's a useful piece of junk. Ok, Dwight was more athletic and quicker, so the [expletive] what? He's quicker and more athletic than Yao. Why the hell does Yao shut him down every single [expletive]ing time? Maybe because he's not stupid? Because he has a clue? Because he's strong? Because he's not soft? Because he doesn't foul him on his left hand when he's shooting on his right hand? Big Z is dumber than a pile of hammers.
What do you want Mo to do when he's asked about his thoughts on a game? Of course you'll guarantee it, but it seems to me that besides the 6 game series against the Magic, you have little to say about Mo. Remember when Jameer guaranteed a Magic win against the Pistons a few years back? Do you hate Jameer too?
Really? Why didn't LeBron guarantee anything? Why didn't Ben Wallace Guarantee anything? Why didn't Anderson Varejao guarantee anything? Why is it that only MO guaranteed a win?
And No I don't hate Jameer, because number one I was rooting against the Magic and number two Jameer actually backed up his talk by performing. He can't speak for his teammates. See unlike Mo, Jameer shot nearly 50% in a playoff series. What was Mo? Like 30%? Yeah, very Allen Iverson esque.
I'm not wasting my time talking about Z anymore. He's done so much for this franchise and when you downplay it, it's just absurd. He's played the most games in franchise history, and did you know, he missed two full seasons and almost another full one, only a little after he was drafted? Yet he went through all the recovery and kept his love for the game, and came back to become one of the greatest players in Cleveland sports history who is beloved by the fans because he went through the hard years when we were terrible, and he came full circle all the way to the LeBron era and still remained relevant, averaging 14 ppg last year. If it wasn't for Shaq, Z would be averaging 13 and 7, obviously because of the years he's been playing, you'd expect something lower, look at Shaq's stats now for example.I don't care about loyalty, would you guys rather keep LeBron James or Big Z? Shouldn't be a question if you ask me. That's basically the question since all you Cavs fans love Z so much. Seems like you guys rather keep one of the slowest minded players in the league over one of arguably the best players in the league.
By the way CF, IF you couldn't tell, I was CLEARLY rooting for you guys over the Magic in the ECF.
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Wow, Z is 35 years old, what do you want from him? He was a two time all star and if you watched the NBA pre-2008, he was easily a top three center. Even now, he's in the top ten.
And how is Mo what you say he is. When the Cavs got him, they had 21 more wins than the previous year. He has one bad playoff series and you will plague his whole career? It's not like he's T-mac or VC, who are notorious for unsuccessful playoff moments.
Only reason LeBron has yet to win a ring yet since we've gotten Mo, nothing but elite has been said about this team. And Z and Mo are two of the more underrated players in this league. It seems you have more want to bash them than is necessary out of pure hatred for whatever reason.
Oh and as much as I hate Tmac and as much as I despise Carter. Those guys at one did show up in the playoffs early in their career. Vince Carter battled Iverson in 2001, McGrady almost averaged 40 PPG against the Pistons in 2003.
Mo Williams basically shoots 45/40/90 in the regular season and he basically shoots 35/30/80 in the playoffs.
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Wow, Z is 35 years old, what do you want from him? He was a two time all star and if you watched the NBA pre-2008, he was easily a top three center. Even now, he's in the top ten.
And how is Mo what you say he is. When the Cavs got him, they had 21 more wins than the previous year. He has one bad playoff series and you will plague his whole career? It's not like he's T-mac or VC, who are notorious for unsuccessful playoff moments.
Only reason LeBron has yet to win a ring yet since we've gotten Mo, nothing but elite has been said about this team. And Z and Mo are two of the more underrated players in this league. It seems you have more want to bash them than is necessary out of pure hatred for whatever reason.
Z underrated? Z is the biggest window licker in the league. Did you see him get his [expletive] handed to him last season by Dwight Howard? There's a reason why you guys got Shaq you know, because they needed somebody who isn't a weak, slow minded player, who's softer than a pillow. Mo is not even close to be underrated, remember that time he kept crying to the media because he didn't make the all-star game? Talk about [expletive] move. Or the time he guaranteed a playoff win against the Magic and they lost because he was too scared to show up?
I don't hate the Cavs, but I sure as hell hate those 2 guys. I don't know how you can like Z, He's loyal but he's terrible.
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Seems like momentum didn't favor any teams this weekend.
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Pulled a Shayne Graham.
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Nice anticipation Revis.
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They have a good ground game.
They are basically a less explosive version of the Ravens.
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West. Boozer is very inconsistant at times and a terrible defender. West has been more consistant and is a better defender. West also isn't as injury prone. However, in the clutch I would take Boozer.
I agree with you, Boozer is horrible inconsistent and injury prone like I said and he only gets motivated from the cash and not the championship. West is more consistent and he seems to play harder than Boozer typically does.
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Bargs look like a slow starter these past years, but it looks like he's getting jump-started now. He's a potential all-star for sure.
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Huh... how about giving me proof how Carter is a better passer/playmaker than Arenas. Arenas may be a chucker, but he can run the offense. Assists don't lie, and I've watched them both play year after year. Arenas is a better scorer and playmaker. VC is more athletic and a much better defender/rebounder. Those are facts.
Carter is the better passer, more athletic, better rebounder, better scorer, better shooter, those are facts. I watched both of them play so I know, stats don't lie. Those are facts. Stats don't lie just to remind you oh and those are facts.
Just using your logic.
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I know you're doing this on purpose just to piss me off. No matter how hated Arenas is by the league and most people on this forum, it is undeniable that many aspects of Arenas' game are better than VC's. Remember we're talking RIGHT NOW not prime...
Yep and Carter is still better at Arenas at passing. Maybe instead of giving me stories of how you are a fan of Carter, maybe you can prove that he's better. But I doubt it.
Carter>Arenas at passing.
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I only get excited when the Chargers are on offense and the Jets are on defense. Everything else bores the crap out of me.
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Another post proving you don't watch basketball outside of the occasional Rockets home game.
VC is one of my favorite players, always has been so I'm not hating. Arenas' passing game has always been underrated because of how many points he puts up. He can be a playmaker when he doesn't need to score, and for statistical evidence he has gotten much more assists over the last few years. Whether I'm a Wizards fan or not, I am still someone who can recognize other aspects of his game. I'm not saying VC can't be a playmaker, because he can. But Gilbert is a better playmaker. I'm sure the majority would disagree just because of Gilbert's awful rep that he recently got.
Nice story, but it would be nicer if you knew what you were talking about. Carter>Arenas at every facet of the game. So yeah. Carter>Arenas at passing and playmaking.
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LOL well said.
He is, he's also a cocky [expletive] piece of garbage that can't backup any of the [expletive] he says. In my opinion, Big Z is basically like him except he doesn't trash talk. He's just a panzy soft piece of garbage just like Mo, he basically plays like him but doesn't act like him. They are the only reason why LeBron has yet to win a ring.
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Kaeding pulled a Nick Folk, at least it was early.
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He's not. I don't care if he was a backup point guard for New Jersey when he was there. I'm not chilling out because your pointless trolling trying to promote your unknowledgeable opinion is annoying as hell.
And you were laughing as if I was saying that Arenas is better in every aspect of the game to VC, which I wasn't saying at all...
I was laughing at how you thought Arenas was a better passer, because it is a joke. But it goes to show you how underrated Carter's passing is. You either are very biased when talking about Arenas or very hateful when talking about Vinsanity.
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I think Warner is going to be done. This will be the fall of the Arizona Cardinals from this point on, Unfortunately. -_-
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You can never say that anymore.
I dont see him retiring, no one retires on top.
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Don't [expletive]ing call me kiddo you piece of [expletive]. I was only talking about his PASSING GAME AND PLAYMAKING. I never said Gilbert was the better player, I said he was the better PASSER AND PLAYMAKER. Try reading instead of trolling, I'm so [expletive]ing tired of you.
I know you were talking about playmaking and passing and Carter is better than Arenas at that too. Take a chill pill.
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He would never do that lol. He has and will always be a Raven.
He'll be a Bronco and play alongside Brian Dawkins.
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Bargnani has been pretty good in these past games.
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Reed will probably stay in the league at least I hope so. He's basically my idol. Ray Lewis is the heart and soul of the Ravens so he would take an even huger toll on the Ravens defense if he leaves. I just think Reed is frustrated with the injuries and with the losses. Maybe he should consider a team change.
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I don't even know what to say to that... if you think Carter would make a better point guard than Arenas then you have issues. Put your hate towards Arenas to the side and look at his game, not his immature antics. If you really think VC is an overall upgrade to Arenas, then you don't watch the NBA.
And by the way, we're talking about their passing game, not their overall game. You brought that up, and I'm responding.
It's funny because at one point Vince Carter was the backup PG for the Nets when Kidd was around. But Yeah, obviously Carter is just a scorer and nothing more and a one dimensional player. Whatever helps you sleep at night kiddo.
VC is definitely as good a playmaker as Arenas is.... both are SG's though, it just so happens Arenas is stuck in a PG's body.
Positive this dude is just arguing with me for the sake of arguing.
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You think Gilbert is an inferior passer to Carter? Lol wow dude... I really don't think you watch any NBA games. Sure he isn't a pass first point guard, but his passing game is a hell of a lot more effective than VC's.
I just had to laugh at that I can't even ignore how dumb of a post that was. Arenas a better passer than Carter.....LMAO.....LMAO. There's nothing Arenas does better than Carter, except work-ethic. Everything else on the court belongs to Carter. Go compare Turnovers for a start.
Mo Williams vs Russell Westbrook
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You were talking about how much more athletic Howard was than Z, so I explained to you how it shouldn't matter regardless by using Yao as an example.
No, because once a choker always a choker. I expect Mo to basically perform like [expletive] again. He's not a legit 2nd option in this league, I don't even think he's a legit 4th option. He's a 6th man player at best.