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Meeks city bitch Meeks Meeks city bitch
Meek Angeles MeerKats
3P champion of the universe
Meeks city bitch Meeks Meeks city bitch
Threes so sweet he like a gay ray allen/ him shooting threes is like a motha[expletive]in felony/ it can turn ugly.
look at him shoot the threeees /look like he shooting a ball in the seaa.
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You either needed to calm down, or check your attitude. According to me, and because I am the one that determines whether or not a thread is off-topic, Meeks is a player that will see minutes against this Miami Heat team. Therefore, discussing how he will fit into the system, and who may see minutes over him, is on point with this topic. If that's a problem for you, it's something you'll have to deal with on your own, away from your keyboard.
Nothing else to discuss.
I don't need to do either because I'm calm and I don't have an attitude. And that is fine with me, don't have a problem with discussing Meeks in this topic, I wanted to move on so.
I'm Done.
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Guess I'll have to check your IP address and make sure you're not Jodie Meeks, since you're acting like I'm talking about you. Calm the [expletive] down, and don't tell me to get "back on topic."
Go check it, I don't care. Don't ever tell me to calm down either, im always calm i'm not mad at all, this is a site, what reason should I get mad for, we discuss stuff on here that is what its here for. I'm just done with it that is all. Not mad at all. So.. I was telling everyone else "I" was back on topic.
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He would drop nothing on no body. Couldn't even do it in summer league. I don't see him doing anything. Not a threat to me. So what ever you say idc. Haven't proven it to me that he is a better three point shooter than Meeks. If he never had the opportunity than how can he be the better three point shooter if we never saw it. By saying he was a three point shooter in college and 3 point champ in college, best 3 pointer shooter in draft. wtf Never seen him do it on this level. Meeks had 21 on MIA, 17 on OKC so he can do it on good teams too. Did I ever say Meeks was doing things spectacular, G-Lock hasn't either. He did his role. He is known and "acknowledged" to be one of the best shooters behind the arc in the NBA. Had better percentages. I'm done, not about to keep going back and forth, I really dont give a [expletive] no more. Meeks is the better three point shooter to me Period. Not taking anything away from G-Lock I think he is a good shooter and even better three point shooter. All I know is that i'm glad to have someone who can space the floor and rest kobe. I really don't care any more. Back on topic.
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His 31-point game was against Alonzo Gee, with Varejao out and nobody defending the rim. Tristan Thompson played center, Samardo Samuels backing him up.
I mean, Brian Cook had a 28-point game. Vujacic scored 25 a couple of times. Chucky Atkins scored 36 against the Miami Heat in his second NBA season. Farmar had 28 against the Thunder two seasons back.
Meeks isn't going to be that great. It wasn't like the entire league was after him.
This feels like a similar situation when the Lakers found a way to bring in Steve Blake, who torched us when he was in Portland. Supposedly, he could do more than just shoot threes...he could run an offense, and he was an underrated defensive player. Supposedly.
It's nice to have a backup two-guard now, instead of having to rely on Steve Blake...but let's not go overboard. Meeks isn't going to go off in LA...not like you want him to.
Never once have I said he was going to be this type of all star or anything else like that. Never have I once said he was going to go off and score 31 points with the Lakers because honestly, I don't think he is going to even get 20 or even less than that. Hell not even 15, shit even 10. Not going to play the same minutes he played in Philly I know what he is here for, he's going to play his role. Never have I went overboard and said he is going to be huge for us and score big points. I know who he is I know is game and I know his limits. He is going to be great for our three point shooting and spacing the floor out and resting Kobe. He has time to keep improving his game too only 24 years old.
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So wait a minute. Meeks hasn't exactly proven any of that, so why are you giving him credit for it? Isn't that what your issue was with Goudelock? If all Meeks has done has been spotting up for threes, why are you telling me anything else about his game?
Because I seen him do it in 10-11, when he was averaging 10 points, and was more involved into the offense. Seen him come off screens, seen him hit the mid, seen him create for himself. Most minutes he ever played that year too. Seen him go off for 21, 31, 18, etc. But his role was still a spot up shooter though, but he was more involved. I ain't going to bullshit ya. Seen him do it, seen him start, seen him do it consistently. Seen him light it up.
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So, because Mike Brown didn't play Goudelock more, that means he's not as good shooting the three-ball? Really? Why didn't the Miami Heat play James Jones more? He's notorious for being one of the best three-point shooters in the league, shot over 40% just last year, and he was barely seeing 10 minutes a night.
Goudelock didn't play because he couldn't defend anyone...too small at the two-guard, just as Meeks is (and that will show, just like it did with Lock). He also didn't do anything else, didn't take any shots inside of the paint, couldn't slash, couldn't hit mid-range.
I never said Goudelock was a better shooter, so don't bother giving me his TS%. I'm simply saying that Goudelock is arguably the better three-point shooter. If left open, or in a three-point competition, he could hit more from long range than Meeks. Saying it's not even close is ridiculous. Meeks has never reached 40% from three, he has shot poorly from the floor in general (FG%), and his TS% has quite a bit to do with his extremely-high FT% (which was 90% last season).
Larry Bird, and Jodie Meeks, have a similar career TS% (almost exactly the same). Doesn't mean much to me, because everyone knows Larry Legend is one of the greatest three-point shooters ever, and the casual NBA fan doesn't even know a Jodie Meeks (who has been in the league for just three seasons).
Not saying he's not a good three point shooters, James proved he was though, we all seen him light it up in the NBA, 3 point champ. Plus they already have other great shooters that can do more than just shoot the ball, that is why he is not playing. I have yet to see Goudelock go off. Even when he was in there he still didn't do shit, Never saw him as a threat on the three, never saw someone say "hey they need to stop Goudelock." Since he can hit from longer range. When he was open he barely hit shots.
I think Meeks can hold his own 6'4, long, and athletic, can't say the same about Goudelock. He did pretty damn good job last year on Defense. people don't give him credit for his defense because they think only thing he can do is shoot. Plus he already stated that all Philly wanted him to do was spot up and shoot the three that is it. His role his first three seasons in the NBA has been as a spot-up shooter. He said he can get to the free throw line, he has a mid-range game, He can create off the dribble, but that hasn’t been his role. He did what the coach wanted him to do, he stated that. He's not a one dimensional as you think. Meeks is the better, and more consistent three point shooter. Like I said, lets see him go off, lets see him hit 6 threes in first quarter, lets see him get damn near 20 something points only on threes. lets see him score 31 points. Meeks was damn near close though, hitting 39% in 09-10. I bet you if they had a longer season this year he would had a better 3pt% percentage he started off cold but heated up.
I hope Meeks and Goudelock have a three point shootout in practice. Meeks is going to light his ass up like a Christmas tree. :glasses:
I know Larry is one of the greatest three pointer shooters ever.
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...based on what? Goudelock probably shot better from three (percentage-wise) last season, and he was also the college three-point champion, and known as the best three-point shooter coming out of the 2011 draft class.
What tells you that Meeks shoots the three better?
College three point champion? Really come on. Hell, Meeks hit 10 threes in a game in college once. Goudlock TS% is 48 Meeks is a 55. Goudlock only attempted 1.9 three pointers per game that is probably the reason. He might have shot it better than him last year because he barely played and rarely took shots, Meeks took a lot more than that, but years before that Meeks had the better 3pt%. Lets see G-Lock hit 6 threes in the first quarter in the NBA. Hell, if he was the better three point shooter than why Brown never played him, I mean, since we obviously needed his threes. I mean, since he's the best three-point shooter coming out of the 2011 draft class, why we even bother picking up Meeks when we got G-Lock College 3 point champion over here. If you go around the league and ask who is the better the 3 point shooter bet 99% of the people would say Meeks. He's proven it. Now I know its only Goudelock first year and he never played but you can't say he is the better three pointer shooter when he never show it. If you go around the league and ask who is the better the point shooter bet 99% of the players and coaches would say Meeks. He showed it, he proved it. It ain't like G-Lock was a threat out there with his threes like meek was. Now I know its only Goudelock first year and he never played but you can't say he is the better three pointer shooter when he never showed it or proved it. Just basing his stuff off of college wont cut it, plus the three point lane is shorter.
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Not sure if he's a better three point shooter than Meeks? Are u serious? You should know Meeks is the far better three point shooter, and shooter than G-Lock.
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I don't want to harp on this much longer and since I can understand where you are coming from on most fronts, I'l just let it go.
However, there is one thing that I just can't understand. What exactly makes you think Wall is a better defender than Lowry? I'm seriously struggling to see anything that woud make me think that Wall is a better defender than Lowry. Wall has a long way to go before he shoud be mentioned with an upper-echelon point guard defender like Lowry.
He has the physical tools to get there one day, but his defense has been one of the weaker parts of his game since he came into the league. Hell, it was one of the weaker parts of his game when he was in college as well.
I'm just not seeing anything from Wall that woud make me think that at this point in time he is even on the same level defensively as Lowry is, let alone being superior.
Never once have I said he was a better defender than Lowry, I said he played better defensively than him last year. I already know he is an average defender, I don't disagree.
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The only reason he scores more is because he jacks up 17 shots a game and his poor TS% (51%) reflects that. He may score at a higher volume, but Lowry is a much, much more efficient player.
There really is nothing to argue. Kyle Lowry is simply a better player than Brandon Jennings. Even if you want to say that Jennings can score the ball bettter (and, personally, I think it is only because of his trigger happy playing style) that isn't nearly enough to make up for Lowry being a much better playmaker, a significantly better rebounder and a monumentally better defender.
Again, you are looking purely at raw scoring numbers and not digging deep enough.
Sure, Wall may score more than Lowry, but he also played 4 more minutes a night and took 2.6 more shots a game (not to mention 1.9 more free throws a game as well). That is, on average, the potential for Wall to score 7.1 more points a game than Lowry, yet Wall only scored 2 more points than Lowry did.
Call me crazy, but I'd take 14.3 ppg with a TS% of 55.8% over 16.3 ppg with a TS% of 50.2% every single time.
As for playmaking, yeah, Wall does have Lowry beat in that regard. I've got no trouble admitting that.
As an overall floor general, though, Lowry is, at this point in time, better. He doesn't have nearly as many moments where he over dribbles, stagnates the offense, drives recklessly into traffic or makes poor decicisions that lead to turnovers. Of course, that should be expected given Lowry has been in the league for a while and Wall is just entering his 3rd season, but it obviously plays a factor into deciding who is the better player at this specific point in time.
Given the fact that he is a much more efficient offensive player, runs a team better and is a better defender (Wall has the potential to be an elite defender at the point, Lowry is already an elite point defender), I'd take Lowry over Wall if I'm looking at things from purely a single season standpoint.
Just look at the numbers and everything points to Lowry being better than Wall.
Lowry's PER - 18.9
Wall's PER - 17.7
Lowry's ORTG - 111
Wall's ORTG - 100
Lowry's DRTG - 104
Wall's DRGT - 107
Lowry's WS - 4.9
Wall's WS - 3.5
In two years time? I'd be surprised if Wall isn't better but right now that isn't the case.
That begs the question, though, is having Curry's production for half the season more valuable than Lowry's for 70 games? Sure, Curry may play better when he is on the floor, but that gets negated by the fact that he is only on the floor half the season.
His talent doesn't really help the team much when he is sitting on the bench in a suit.
I'll agree about brandon we are on the same page with that. I was just joking too on the score more, I kno why he scores more too lol
Wall, I can agree now, Lowry played better than Wall last season a little, but I bet with a better team wall has now, he does better this upcoming season. Lowry had the better team than Wall too. Of course Lowry will have a better TS, Wall doesn't have a jumper and ORtg. Not every player with a high ORtg is better than ones with lower ORtgs. Players who have both a high ORtg (>110) and a high %Poss (>23) are offensive stars; players with a high ORtg and a low %Poss (<17) are good role players. Wall's are 110- 24 Lowry are 111-22. I'll give the advantage to Lowry though. I agree though he ain't a floor general yet but he can get there. Lowry wasn't the better defender last year either. But I agree with you and I think everything you said about each players are on point. I can see that Lowry played better than Wall now. Wall needs to develop a jumper bad, 7% from beyond the arc is just awful.
I agree, but Curry still played better though. But I would rather have someone who can play 70 games than just 23 games.
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Scores more lol
Now Brandon you can argue. I agree with you on that though don't really see much of Brandon unless he shows me he can do more than jack up shots.
But Curry and Wall Hell to the No. Going to next season even.
We already know about Wall's Offense game but Wall doesn't even have a jumper, yet scores more than Lowry. Image if he develops one. I'll take Wall's D and Passing skills over Lowry last season, I'll take Wall offense over Lowry last season too. Wall needs improving too though needs to develop a jumper and need to work on change of speed, decision making, controlling the game. IMO Wall played better than Lowry last season (even though Wall season wasn't that good) and will go into next season better.
I know about Curry he is hurt, Needs to stay healthy I agree but even while Hurt and played less games he still played better than Lowry last season.
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lmao so that means Lowry is better than Curry, Wall, Jennings. No way in hell
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Mitch first presented the offer months ago, wasn't with the same teams involved, though. Well before any of this was serious (and Orlando was attempting to get Howard to stay), Mitch gave the Magic a call and proposed the Bynum/Blake/picks deal.
shush it I know that <_<
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Well Kupchak wasn't the one that swooped in, it was Hennigan who called Kupchak and offered a deal.
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Don't forget Jeff Green is back too.
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All Amare should do is stay healthy, keep building chemistry with his team, and have some post moves (which he is already working on), be a team player, and he'll get back to being one of the best pf in the game. Now if he does all this and improve, he can shoot, post, P&R P&P. He needs to focus on his rebounding and defense though, he is too athletic and can jump to not be a good rebounder and defender.
And Bosh being superior at defense lol He is little above average but better than Amare though
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Garnett ate him up in the playoffs. It was no contest. There will be way more of that to come if he plays the 4 regularly this year.
Yeah true lol but have to understand that KG is still an anchor on defense, specially at the Center position now because he has less movement to do now. But still doesn't change the fact about Hawes D, still on him to do better. But now that you have Bynum in your presence, will cause a problem, with your length. Bynum can probably cover up his D. I think it can work out If you can play Hawes right he is effective P&R or P&P player with a shot, with Bynum on the inside he will make room for Bynum a lot more because how good of a shooter he is,and how he can hit the 3 ball, and faceup (Don't know if he is a faceup player but seems like it correct me if I am wrong). If he has post moves than no doubt play him. Because now you guys have advantage inside, and have effective players on the outside and now probably besides Raptors, Mavs will have both 7 footers playing PF and C. Not saying do it, I am saying that it is not a bad Idea to play hawes at PF seeing how mobile and a good shooter he is
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I think Hawes can play the four, he is a good shooter and pretty mobile to be 7 foot. May be have him trim down a little too.
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Heard he was working with Olajuwon. Can't wait to see him this year.
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Someone find me the Lineup Pic with Nash Bryant mwp Pau and Howard can't find it no where. Will rep!
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I would take T Mac most def. I agree With what RD said so I am not going to repeat, except the inability to do big things with Yao. It wasn't really his fault I mean, yeah the first year they struggled at the start but picked it up as they went on. They formed one of the most dominant duos in the Western Conference and finished 51–31 as the 5th seed in the playoffs, pretty good for first time together. Then when the second season came rolling that is when all the injuries occurred. Well not all the injuries of course but from then on injuries start occurring is what I meant. Mcgrady started off slowly the second season on down with his back injuries, even though he was returning the spasms was still a problem to him, but was still fighting through them. then next year that is when Yao got hurt and they couldn't stay on the court together at the same time. BUT they had chances though. I just think injuries played a big part in which they couldn't do more together and do some big things together as you said not just because Mcgrady couldn't do anything with Yao because he could. I think Mcgrady improved in all areas of his game scoring, passing, rebounding, but really didn't pay much attention on defense which is funny because he started out a defensive stopper. I Mean, he was still a hell of a defense player, I'm guessing he stopped playing defense because he had to do more on offense IDK but he was a good defensive player.
Collins wants Hawes to be the Sixers' P.Gasol
in Philadelphia 76ers Team Forum
Posted · Edited by Hayes1
I knew Hawes was going to play PF, I called it too.