Paul, Melo, and Amare?

[moeroadkill]

league is turning into [expletive]. -_-

[fish7718]

LeBron would have been an [expletive] for going to NY but not a coward, and he could have become immortal winning in NY going to Miami, theres no money, no pressure for the most part, no chance at a legacy, he wimped it, it was a cowardly move.

[Nitro]

LeBron would have been an [expletive] for going to NY but not a coward, and he could have become immortal winning in NY going to Miami, theres no money, no pressure for the most part, no chance at a legacy, he wimped it, it was a cowardly move.

 

Umm...what?

 

$100M+ contract, continued Nike/other endorsements, a bigger market in Miami than Cleveland, and the chance to make his brand even bigger with a few championships = No money?

 

No pressure? If he doesn't win multiple championships the next few seasons, the whole plan is going to be widely considered a failure. That's incredible pressure, and he'll get the blame far more than either Bosh or Wade.

 

And no chance at a legacy? He already has back-to-back MVP's, a scoring title, 2 ASG MVP's, a few All-NBA 1st team selections, an All-NBA Defensive 1st team selection, has broken almost every "youngest to.." record, ROTY, brought one of the worst teams to the Finals in NBA history....and he's only 25. Add a few championships, even if considered "diminished", and a few Finals MVP's, along with sustained greatness and he'll easily be remembered among the greatest to ever play. Maybe not GOAT like so many felt he was destined to be, but one helluva career.

[SRV]

Legacy is taking a no name franchise like the Heat and making them relevant. It doesn't mean much to lead teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, and Knicks to a championship, they already have plenty, and you are just adding on to what the dominant teams of the past did.

 

There is plenty of money in Miami, and plenty of pressure. You don't think we expect 8 rings right now? I will tell you this, everyone in Miami believes we have the NBA locked up for the next few years, what the rest of the country thinks is not important to us right now, all my posts lately reflect that, idc what you guys think, in my mind we are gonna win plenty. So yes, they have plenty of pressure to win this season, and next season, and the next one and so on. Wade can do no wrong, so if we lose, all the blame goes to Lebron and Bosh.

 

As for the city, we might have bandwagon fans, but this is Miami, everyone wants to be here, and we have plenty of celebrities. The arena will be packed every night, and this will be one of the main attractions. The reason we have [expletive]ty fans is because there is so much to do in Miami, watching a basketball game isn't at the top of the list. In LA, Cle, and Boston there is nothing but sports.

Edited July 13, 2010 by SRV

[fish7718]

Umm...what?

 

$100M+ contract, continued Nike/other endorsements, a bigger market in Miami than Cleveland, and the chance to make his brand even bigger with a few championships = No money?

 

No pressure? If he doesn't win multiple championships the next few seasons, the whole plan is going to be widely considered a failure. That's incredible pressure, and he'll get the blame far more than either Bosh or Wade.

 

And no chance at a legacy? He already has back-to-back MVP's, a scoring title, 2 ASG MVP's, a few All-NBA 1st team selections, an All-NBA Defensive 1st team selection, has broken almost every "youngest to.." record, ROTY, brought one of the worst teams to the Finals in NBA history....and he's only 25. Add a few championships, even if considered "diminished", and a few Finals MVP's, along with sustained greatness and he'll easily be remembered among the greatest to ever play. Maybe not GOAT like so many felt he was destined to be, but one helluva career.

No money compared to what he could have made in NY or Cle, making money as an athlete with endorsements and such is all about brand management, LeBron destroyed his brand, and a lot of fan base by wimping out and going to Miami.

 

Yes no pressure, with this all star team it takes pressure off him to perform like the front man, he can let Wade be the front man and if they lose he will not take the blame alone. Yes theres pressure to ultimately win, but the ease of which winning should be will take away from the pressure.

 

Yes no chance at legacy, compared to Kobe or Jordan, he should never draw comparisons because of the fact he couldn't win it on his team. Even Bird Magic Kareem he shouldn't draw comparisons too, he should and will always be remembered as a cowardly pippen.

[fish7718]

Legacy is taking a no name franchise like the Heat and making them relevant. It doesn't mean much to lead teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, and Knicks to a championship, they already have plenty, and you are just adding on to what the dominant teams of the past did.

 

There is plenty of money in Miami, and plenty of pressure. You don't think we expect 8 rings right now? I will tell you this, everyone in Miami believes we have the NBA locked up for the next few years, what the rest of the country thinks is not important to us right now, all my posts lately reflect that, idc what you guys think, in my mind we are gonna win plenty. So yes, they have plenty of pressure to win this season, and next season, and the next one and so on.

 

As for the city, we might have bandwagon fans, but this is Miami, everyone wants to be here, and we have plenty of celebrities. The arena will be packed every night, and this will be one of the main attractions. The reason we have [expletive]ty fans is because there is so much to do in Miami, watching a basketball game isn't at the top of the list. In LA, Cle, and Boston there is nothing but sports.

Lol please Miami is a nothing market with fair weather fans who don't care weather they win or lose. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even sell out arenas in the playoffs still, pathetic. Nobody is going to care about how many championships he won for Miami, they will be Wade's championships. There is not plenty of money in Miami, the only market for him now is basically in Miami and that is, and like I said those Miami fans are a sad bunch. Not you, just the group in general.

[Nitro]

No money compared to what he could have made in NY or Cle, making money as an athlete with endorsements and such is all about brand management, LeBron destroyed his brand, and a lot of fan base by wimping out and going to Miami.

 

LeBron will still be making an astonishing amount of money. And he may have hurt his brand in the short term...but in the long-term? Kobe got charged with rape, was percieved as running Shaq out of town for his own personal success, and completely lost many of his endorsements...few years later? Even before he started winning rings again, he was the most popular player in the league.

 

If LeBron wins with Miami and continues his excellence on the court, his brand will do juuuuuusssssssst fine.

 

Yes no pressure, with this all star team it takes pressure off him to perform like the front man, he can let Wade be the front man and if they lose he will not take the blame alone. Yes theres pressure to ultimately win, but the ease of which winning should be will take away from the pressure.

 

Every year they don't win a championship, they are a failure. LeBron may or may not be "the front man", but you can bet your [expletive] if they fail he will get "front man" blame because of this whole free agency. Probably even moreso than in Cleveland, because now he DOES have help (hand-picked) and they STILL don't win? It'll be horrible.

 

Yes no chance at legacy, compared to Kobe or Jordan, he should never draw comparisons because of the fact he couldn't win it on his team. Even Bird Magic Kareem he shouldn't draw comparisons too, he should and will always be remembered as a cowardly pippen.

 

Give me a break.

 

First of all if he stays in Miami for the entire 6 years he will be only 31, the same age as Kobe is right this second. Considering Wade's style of play and age (28), I doubt he will be an all-star 6 years from now, and in all likelihood he'll start to get hit hard with the injury-bug halfway through his contract. The first few seasons he may be playing with a top 3 player in Wade, but the latter half he won't be. It will be LeBron's team, unquestionably.

 

And whether he leads the team in points or not he will still be the best player on a championship team, likely with a Finals MVP attatched to it. He has had one of the most accomplished first 7 years in NBA history from an individual standpoint. That won't change as he starts to hit his prime...except for championships.

[fish7718]

LeBron will still be making an astonishing amount of money. And he may have hurt his brand in the short term...but in the long-term? Kobe got charged with rape, was percieved as running Shaq out of town for his own personal success, and completely lost many of his endorsements...few years later? Even before he started winning rings again, he was the most popular player in the league.

 

If LeBron wins with Miami and continues his excellence on the court, his brand will do juuuuuusssssssst fine.

your completely wrong Kobe did the exact oposite of LeBron running Shaq out of town shows his ego and makes him look less like a [expletive] and gives him more of an ego, which is good. Rape was completely forgotten about, that was off the court, and most ppl like myeself didn't even care. LeBron lost fans he will never gain back a lot of those fans fed his brand.

 

 

Every year they don't win a championship, they are a failure. LeBron may or may not be "the front man", but you can bet your [expletive] if they fail he will get "front man" blame because of this whole free agency. Probably even moreso than in Cleveland, because now he DOES have help (hand-picked) and they STILL don't win? It'll be horrible.

Maybe I phrased it wrong, pressure yes, challenge, little.

 

Give me a break.

 

First of all if he stays in Miami for the entire 6 years he will be only 31, the same age as Kobe is right this second. Considering Wade's style of play and age (28), I doubt he will be an all-star 6 years from now, and in all likelihood he'll start to get hit hard with the injury-bug halfway through his contract. The first few seasons he may be playing with a top 3 player in Wade, but the latter half he won't be. It will be LeBron's team, unquestionably.

 

And whether he leads the team in points or not he will still be the best player on a championship team, likely with a Finals MVP attatched to it. He has had one of the most accomplished first 7 years in NBA history from an individual standpoint. That won't change as he starts to hit his prime...except for championships.

Completely disagree, even if it is LeBron's team literally it's still Wades team matephorically which destroys LeBrons legacy. It will always be remember that LeBron couldn't get it done with his team he had to go to another team.

[Nitro]

your completely wrong Kobe did the exact oposite of LeBron running Shaq out of town shows his ego and makes him look less like a [expletive] and gives him more of an ego, which is good. Rape was completely forgotten about, that was off the court, and most ppl like myeself didn't even care. LeBron lost fans he will never gain back a lot of those fans fed his brand.

 

Were you a fan of the NBA back in 2004? Did you read the magazines, discuss it online, etc...?

 

If so, you'll remember how many people crushed Kobe for running out one of the greatest players of all-time. He was viewed as extremely selfish and immature. Put individual glory over team glory. Phil Jackson's book added fuel to that fire. The Heat winning 2 years later did much the same.

 

If Pau Gasol didn't fall into the team's lap in one of the most lobsided trades in NBA history, Kobe likely never again wins a ring as a Laker. Hell, even Kobe knew that by demanding a trade just a few months prior. The people who destroyed Kobe back in 2004 are now doing the same to LeBron for the exact opposite reasons. It's hilarious to me.

 

Maybe I phrased it wrong, pressure yes, challenge, little.

 

Yes, you did phrase it wrong then.

 

Completely disagree, even if it is LeBron's team literally it's still Wades team matephorically which destroys LeBrons legacy. It will always be remember that LeBron couldn't get it done with his team he had to go to another team.

 

Shaq went to another team to win a ring (multiple times). Moses went to another team to win a ring. Wilt went to another team to win a ring. If the Lakers had listened to Kobe, he would have as well.

 

Who cares who's team it is metaphorically? 20 years from now people won't remember that, especially since LeBron will be the best player on the Heat, and Wade will be a few years removed from his prime 5-6 years from now. And what happens if Wade gets injured like he was in 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 (where he had to shut himself down the last month or two of the season) and they still win a championship? Will it honestly matter if emotionally it is still Wade's team? No, not one bit. Just to people who refuse to objectively look at LeBron's career.

 

In the end, LeBron will have multiple MVP's, countless individual accolades and likely multiple championships as being the best player on his team. He'll have a terrific legacy, even if it doesn't fulfill the MJ barometer of greatness.

Edited July 13, 2010 by Nitro1118

[fish7718]

Were you a fan of the NBA back in 2004? Did you read the magazines, discuss it online, etc...?

 

If so, you'll remember how many people crushed Kobe for running out one of the greatest players of all-time. He was viewed as extremely selfish and immature. Put individual glory over team glory. Phil Jackson's book added fuel to that fire. The Heat winning 2 years later did much the same.

 

If Pau Gasol didn't fall into the team's lap in one of the most lobsided trades in NBA history, Kobe likely never again wins a ring as a Laker. Hell, even Kobe knew that by demanding a trade just a few months prior. The people who destroyed Kobe back in 2004 are now doing the same to LeBron for the exact opposite reasons. It's hilarious to me.

 

 

Yes I was a fan, no I did not discuss it online, Kobes situation was easier to recover from, he didn't wimp out.

 

 

Shaq went to another team to win a ring (multiple times). Moses went to another team to win a ring. Wilt went to another team to win a ring. If the Lakers had listened to Kobe, he would have as well.

 

Who cares who's team it is metaphorically? 20 years from now people won't remember that, especially since LeBron will be the best player on the Heat, and Wade will be a few years removed from his prime 5-6 years from now. And what happens if Wade gets injured like he was in 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 (where he had to shut himself down the last month or two of the season) and they still win a championship? Will it honestly matter if emotionally it is still Wade's team? No, not one bit. Just to people who refuse to objectively look at LeBron's career.

 

In the end, LeBron will have multiple MVP's, countless individual accolades and likely multiple championships as being the best player on his team. He'll have a terrific legacy, even if it doesn't fulfill the MJ barometer of greatness.

 

You need to stop comparing other players to LeBron James, it's completely different for a lot of the guys you name. When LeBron James's name is mentioned everyone will remember that he backed out on Cleveland and couldn't win it by himself.

[Sun Tzu]

I hope this does not happen, if the nba turns out where players are no longer loyal to their fans, and just want to team up with their buddy's, im going to stop watching the nba.

 

Agreed. I find all this teaming up stupid

[Nitro]

Yes I was a fan, no I did not discuss it online, Kobes situation was easier to recover from, he didn't wimp out.

 

Yeah...rape accusations, running a top 10 player all-time out of town, demanding a trade, trashing your 20 year-old Center on video...all easier to recover from because he wanted to show he can drop 30PPG on a roster with Odom, Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and LeBron wanted to win rings with Wade and Bosh.

 

Right.

 

You need to stop comparing other players to LeBron James, it's completely different for a lot of the guys you name. When LeBron James's name is mentioned everyone will remember that he backed out on Cleveland and couldn't win it by himself.

 

Ok, nostradamus.

Edited July 13, 2010 by Nitro1118

[NomarFachix]

If he said New York instead of South Beach I am sure your feelings would be dramatically different.

 

I absolutely agree, and I've said it before... in NY, the team is still on his shoulders and the pressure is all on him. He outweighs Amar'e by a large amount. In Miami, he's no more than Wade's Robin, with Bosh playing Catwoman. Cowardly. In my eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I see Nitro's novelesque counterpoints have made a return... SMH

[YugoRocketsFan]

I absolutely agree, and I've said it before... in NY, the team is still on his shoulders and the pressure is all on him. He outweighs Amar'e by a large amount. In Miami, he's no more than Wade's Robin, with Bosh playing Catwoman. Cowardly. In my eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I see Nitro's novelesque counterpoints have made a return... SMH

 

If its cowardly then why is everyone getting mad that LeBron James did it but NO ONE is getting at Bosh, its obvious that everyone is mad they didn't get LeBron or are bothered by the fact that 2 of the top 3 players and a top 3 Power forward are on the same roster.

[EastCoastNiner]

If its cowardly then why is everyone getting mad that LeBron James did it but NO ONE is getting at Bosh, its obvious that everyone is mad they didn't get LeBron or are bothered by the fact that 2 of the top 3 players and a top 3 Power forward are on the same roster.

 

They don't even know the definition of cowardly. .

 

They're just pissed that LeBron isn't in New York, and they'll use ever reason to say that he's supposedly a coward in Miami, but he wouldn't be greedy for going to New York. .

[Nitro]

Also, I see Nitro's novelesque counterpoints have made a return... SMH

 

When did they leave?

[AllenIverson#1fan]

i really don't see why you guys are getting angry and butthurt saying you won't watch the NBA anymore. i mean, you know good and damn well if you were ever in the NBA and you had buddies that were good you would want to team up with them and try for a championship instead of "staying loyal" to some team that could care less about what you really want and just like the money they are getting off selling your jersey. think about it guys before you start saying irrelevant things.

This. +1

[NomarFachix]

If its cowardly then why is everyone getting mad that LeBron James did it but NO ONE is getting at Bosh, its obvious that everyone is mad they didn't get LeBron or are bothered by the fact that 2 of the top 3 players and a top 3 Power forward are on the same roster.

 

Bosh was never even remotely considered in LBJ's class. He never had the brand. He never had the respect. He never had the talent... He was never in the running for "greatest player of all time". Nobody cared because it is/was Chris Bosh.

 

The guy was touted as a Jordan or a Kobe... In reality, he can't even carry their jocks.

 

You don't get mad at Sue Storm for being in the Fantastic 4 because her powers were limited and she was a dumb [expletive]. Superman teaming up with Batman and Spiderman because he doesn't feel like saving the world any longer by himself? Weak.

[NomarFachix]

They don't even know the definition of cowardly. .

 

They're just pissed that LeBron isn't in New York, and they'll use ever reason to say that he's supposedly a coward in Miami, but he wouldn't be greedy for going to New York. .

 

lol I guess I don't see what greedy has to do with it... But I guess so. Nuthugger.