Owner Real Deal Posted April 27, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Did anyone hear Jeff Van Gundy talking about how he would change the lottery? Basically, he said that he would take the bottom 14 teams (the lottery teams) and give them the first 14 picks (like what is done now), but instead, giving the #1 to the BEST lottery team (by record). So, for instance...the Houston Rockets would have the #1 pick in the draft (as they have the best record among the bottom 14), with the Phoenix Suns drafting #2 (second best record), and so on. Then, you throw in the last 16 teams, in reverse order (keeping the same idea used in the past). His explanation is that this keeps teams from tanking, which makes a lot of sense to me...doesn't completely stop the tanking, because some teams will want to miss the playoffs, just barely, rather than make it as an 8th seed...but it's better than letting the worst teams tank for months, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 As if there isn't a parity problem already. I agree tanking is a problem, but that is just the reality of it, and is for all sports now. I think the Wizards have shown a lot of people that you can't just keep picking in the lottery and assemble young talent and just become good at the snap of your fingers... it takes more than just picking high (unless you get a generational talent like Durant). I don't think the answer is the punish teams for being bad. Realistically who in the lottery wouldn't be there even if they tried their hardest? The Cavs would probably be higher, Washington if they were coached, maybe reordered a bit but probably not that much. The reason a lot of these teams are so bad i think runs deeper than just tanking, they are badly managed, poorly coached, have a horrible culture in their organization (I think is a hugely overlooked part of many organizations). Also, teams like Toronto, Milwaukee, etc, the only way they can get better is through the draft... how is Toronto ever going to not be last if they don't get a good draft pick when they suck and no free agents want to come here... I agree with Van Gundy a lot of the time, but this is a really bad idea. Being good in the NBA is just luck... and that is the reality of it. Chicago is another version of the Atlanta Hawks at best if the ping pong balls don't fall their way. OKC is nothing if they don't bounce up a couple spots and get a generational talent in Durant. This is just the reality of the NBA, to be good you need to be lucky. Good management helps along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted April 27, 2012 Author Owner Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Also, teams like Toronto, Milwaukee, etc, the only way they can get better is through the draft... how is Toronto ever going to not be last if they don't get a good draft pick when they suck and no free agents want to come here... I agree with Van Gundy a lot of the time, but this is a really bad idea.How long is it going to take for teams like that to actually develop into contenders, though? Maybe if they did more than just focus on getting their high draft pick, they would actually have a meaningful season every once in a while. Right now, it doesn't seem like the system is doing much for any of the bottom-feeders. By the time they rack up 3-4 consecutive lottery picks, their best player is already out the door because they would rather do that than actually hire good coaches, scouts, and attempt to negotiate with every team in the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Teams would still tank lol, if I'm the 8 seed and I have choice between playing OKC/Bulls/Miami/Spurs or the #1 pick, lol easy decision. Only way that would keep teams from tanking is make it completely random who gets the #1 pick or the lotto less weighted to the bottom teams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) How long is it going to take for teams like that to actually develop into contenders, though? Maybe if they did more than just focus on getting their high draft pick, they would actually have a meaningful season every once in a while. Right now, it doesn't seem like the system is doing much for any of the bottom-feeders. By the time they rack up 3-4 consecutive lottery picks, their best player is already out the door because they would rather do that than actually hire good coaches, scouts, and attempt to negotiate with every team in the NBA. Probably never, unless they luck out in the draft lottery and pick up a top 10 player. That is just the reality of the NBA, the role of 'contender' is reserved for the big market teams (I know it sounds like I am beating a dead horse by saying this but it is the reality) and the teams who are lucky enough to draft a franchise player (the OKCs, the Spurs, etc). I get that teams need to be held accountable (has anyone shit on the Cavs management for how poorly they managed their team more than me during the whole LeBron fiasco? even I shit on the Raptors management during the Bosh era.), but at the same time I don't see the sense in punishing teams for being bad. For the rest of us who aren't fortunate enough to draft a generational talent in the lottery, our best hope is to be the Atlanta Hawks... that is the reality of the NBA. I would rather just see all 14 teams who miss the playoffs get a 14% chance at first overall and do an entirely random lottery. It at least encourages teams to build and not be afraid to win games... but punish bad teams? Absolutely horrible idea as far as I am concerned and incredibly counterproductive for the league as a whole... how many teams would have to be moved/removed after losing year after year with nothing to look forward to? Even if Milwaukee had the best management team in the world, world class facilities, players wouldn't go there... why? Because it is Milwaukee... same with about 80% of the teams in the league. Honestly, if Charlotte was picking 14th this year... and this rule was in place... what do they do? Honestly... please tell me, because I have no idea. They would probably pick near that spot every year, even if they tried their hardest... and would be relocated in less than 5 years. Unless they overpay for role players so they can be mediocre... And like Fish said, the possibility of teams purposely missing the playoffs to draft first overall (entirely possible) would be so bad for the game it is insane. Edited April 27, 2012 by Check my Stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Anyways, all of this is moot if that little [expletive]er son of Dan Gilbert keeps going to the lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted April 27, 2012 Author Owner Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I would rather just see all 14 teams who miss the playoffs get a 14% chance at first overall and do an entirely random lottery.I actually like that idea. Regarding the Bobcats, they were a playoff team (with a winning record AND the best defense in the NBA) just two seasons ago, and it wasn't because of a #1 overall pick. They had help from the expansion draft (Gerald Wallace), but with him, they put together a solid team with a defensive-minded core, coached by an elite defensive-minded Larry Brown. I do believe small-market teams have disadvantages in free agency (which is obvious), but a lot of their problems arise because of other things you hinted at in your first post. The Milwaukee Bucks had PLENTY of chances to trade away Brandon Jennings. They have selected poorly in the draft, when they could have just dealt their picks, instead of failing to accept the fact that their scouts are below average. I can't feel sorry for most of those teams. And yes, the Thunder drafted to get where they are at...but Duncan wouldn't have four rings without the international talent they stacked around him, and while that was all due to the draft, those picks were late draftees, and that's where other things come into play. Personally, I think Toronto should have traded their #1 back in 2006. I thought it was so ignorant of them to take Villanueva over Bynum in 2005...never, ever understood that pick, because the general idea was to snag a true big man, and it was clear (at least to me) that he wasn't going to be a true big. No point in really digging that back up, though...but you understand what I'm saying, since you're mentioning something similar in the initial post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) I said that idea first anyway lmao @ Dan Gilbert's son comment Edited April 27, 2012 by fish7718 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 wow.. imagine if we had picked Bynum instead of Villanueva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universe Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Better idea is the team that finishes last has the choice of the best player on whoever wins the championship or the first round pick. If player on championship team is picked, that team then gets the number one overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Just do SOMETHING to reward teams that don't tank their way to a high pick. For the third straight year the Rockets are the best team in the lottery and yet are the ones getting [expletive]ed over because they actually try to win their games while the ones blatantly tanking are reaping the rewards. I'm sick of the current system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Better idea is the team that finishes last has the choice of the best player on whoever wins the championship or the first round pick. If player on championship team is picked, that team then gets the number one overall pick. lol no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I honestly think the current system is the best way to prevent tanking. Reason being is that even if you finish with the worst record by far you still most likely will not get the number 1 pick. For example how many times has the worst team gotten it the last 10 years? Im not saying its a perfect system, but if you remove the lottery and just award picks based on records that will only be more reason to tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universe Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 lol no way.It was a joke but least it would make it exciting. No player would ever agree to it but would be the perfect challenge to see who truly are the great players in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 It was a joke but least it would make it exciting. No player would ever agree to it but would be the perfect challenge to see who truly are the great players in the league. I wasn't sure if you were joking or not. You're right though, i guess it would make the league kind of interesting. Guys like Rose, Lebron, Durant, etc. would never be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 We should do that only for this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teletopez Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 What if all lottery teams were to have an equal number of combinations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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