Bulls N' Bears

wow... 20.. that's a lot. My list won't be in order from best to worst.. just who I think is in the top 20 Dwight howard Pau Gasol Dirk Amar'e Kevin Garnett Chris Bosh Blake Griffin Bogut Horford Noah Zach Randolph David Lee Kevin Love Tim Duncan David West Nene Aldridge Lamar Odom Tyson Chandler I probably missed someone that belongs there... I just did it from the top of my head haha

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All I'm gonna say is that guys like Favre, Big Ben, Brady, etc. would have still been in the game.

yes... I have played PG/SG for many year. Since I was ten to be exact. After high scool basketball... I just play street ball in Chicago. If you know anything about street ball in chicago, you would know that there is no such thing as an open man. :o Unless I drove to the basket, drew attention and kicked it out to an open man for a bucket.. I didn't feel like my pass did much. Or if I had a cross court pass to an open man, etc. If I just stood there, called a play and watched my guys fight to get open... and all I had to do was give them a simple pass... I didn't feel like it was hard at all. They did a lot more work than I did. They worked to get open AND made the shot. All I did was give the a pass from 8 feet away. That isn't hard at all. and I wasn't talking about passes on the break.. Those to me are pretty good assists cuz the guy with the ball is actually doing something to me... not just standing there, calling a play that the coach probably told them to run at TO, and pass it to a guy who worked to get open.

yup. Rebounds for big men can be easy. Same as blocks... because most of them come against guards. Therefore a bunch of rebounds and blocks in game for a big man can be seen as overrated as well. now if a guard gets 10 rebounds or 4 blocks.. is that impressive? yes. but you were getting to what I was eventually going to say... and that's that stats in general are pretty overrated... most of them are anyway. the things that don't count most are the things that don't show up on the stat sheet. but for now, I'm focusing on assists.

MVP: Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks 2-7 record without him. Yes, Butler missed some of those games as well, but they even played poorly in the couple of games Butler did appear in while dirk was out. Plus they have lost to some bad teams. His numbers are pretty good and the Mavs are a serious threat when he’s actually in the lineup. [Note: I’m not picking anyone from San Antonio, Boston, or Miami because it’s hard to choose one guy over the others.] *Other MVP candidates: Deron Williams, Utah Jazz. . Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls. DPOY: Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic The Magic are still one of the top defensive teams in the league despite not having depth down low. Also, overall, the Magic lack solid individual defensive players. Howard has been consistently good on defense. *Other DPOY candidates: Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee Bucks. Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets. Tyson Chandler, Dallas Mavericks. MIP: Eric Gordon, Los Angeles Clippers It was tough for me to pick this one. But Gordon has consistently been a good scorer this season and has improved his rebounding/passing. *Other MIP candidates: Michael Beasley, Minnesota Timberwolves. Kevin Love, Minnesota Timberwolves. Raymond Felton, New York Knicks. 6th Man: Jamal Crawford, Atlanta Hawks He did a good job helping the Hawks win games while JJ was out and has been a monster off the bench this month. *Other 6th Man Candidates: Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks. Glen Davis, Boston Celtics. C.J Miles, Utah Jazz. ROY: Blake Griffin, Los Angeles Clippers. Unless he gets injured, he’ll win this award. COY: Gregg Popovic, San Antonio Spurs They have the best record in the league and have by far exceeded expectations so far this season. *Other COY Candidates: Tom Thibodeau, Chicago Bulls. Doc Rivers, Boston Celtics. Jerry Sloan, Utah Jazz.

what I mean is... let's say a pg or a player playing any other position has the ball... he's just standing there dribbling it... the other 4 players are running around trying to get open... one of them does... but the one player that gets open happens to be like 6 feet away from the player that has the ball. The player with the ball passes it to him for a shot. The shot goes in. was that an assist? yes. but was the pass difficult to make? no. But some players have games with 10 passes like that, that lead to assists.. then people talk about how great of a game that player had even though what he did wasn't that hard. If you watch the game.. most of those assists go unnoticed... but if you didn't watch the game and just look at the box score, people react like "wow! this guy is a good passer!!" u know what I mean?

I’ve always kinda thought this.. but I didn’t give it too much thought until about 2 months ago while watching the Celtics/Bucks game. I usually don’t look at the box score on the computer while watching a game, but this time I had my laptop with me and the box score was open to the C’s/Bucks game. Closer to the end of that game, Kevin Garnett was standing up close to the 3pt. Line and rondo passed him the ball. Just a simple pass… KG pump faked his defender, took a dribble and spun passed him.. when he got near the rim, he went up, got fouled and kinda hung in the air and made the shot. As I looked down on my computer screen to see how many points KG had that game, the page refreshed itself and I saw that Rondo got credited an assist on that play. Now tell me, how the hell is that an assist? Rondo did absolutely nothing to help KG make that shot. He gave him the ball, and KG made like 2-3 moves before putting up the shot. If KG had taken the shot once he got the pass from Rondo, then yeah I would get why that was an assist. But a pass, then KG doing his own thing creating his own shot and rondo getting an assist? I thought the statistician might have made an error. Nope. Every game I have watched since then, I have been trying to pay attention to those kinds of plays… and the guys making that pass usually did get the assist. You know what that reminded me of? A quarterback throwing a 2-yard screen pass to his running back. The running back breaks a few tackles and runs 60 yards for the TD. The QB really didn’t do anything there. A 10 year old can complete a 2-yard screen pass. But the completion and the yards show up on the QB’s stat sheet as well even though he really didn’t do anything. Same in basketball. The passer will make a simple pass to his teammate. His teammate does all the work and scores [like KG], but the passer gets credit for the assist. Idk why a player would get credit for that assist though. he really didn’t do ANYTHING. Now to the passes that I actually do consider an assist: A PG standing there at the top of the 3 pt. Line. He calls a play. His teammates are working hard to get open.. one of them gets open and the PG passed him the ball. But it’s a very basic pass.. maybe even a short one.. like 10 feet. As his teammate catches the ball, his defender is running at him.. but the player gets off a tough shot with a man in his face. So he gets the basket and the PG gets the assist. Is that a legitimate assist? Yes. But again, what did the PG really do there? Nothing really.. just passed the ball to the guy the play was designed for and that player made the shot. The pass wasn’t special, and sometimes the shot isn’t special. But the player shooting that ball did a lot more work than the guy passing it. When you’re watching a game, do you sit there and say “wow, what a pass.” When a player/PG makes that kinds pass? Hell no. Why? Cuz the pass was something ordinary and not special at all. But if the guy shooting the ball, you’ll say “wow what a shot.” Passes that turn into assists that show the true meaning of an assist to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgBxefhGaNs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfceQCcsia8&feature=fvsr you get what I’m talking about. Also, driving to the rim and drawing the defense and finding a man on the outside is a great assist. Ally-oops are nice assists. Etc. But a basic short pass to a open man requires no skill… or not a lot of skill. So my point is.. if you don’t watch a game and look at the box score when the game is over and see that a player got over ten assists that game, you think “wow he had a great game!!” even if he didn’t score much. But if you watched that same game, you really wouldn’t have that reaction because 8 out of the 13 assist that player had wasn’t really anything to brag about. Points, rebounds, assists, blocks, etc. are things to brag about though. If a guy has 15+ rebounds in a game, you know he worked hard for most of those. If a guy has 30+ points, you know he was working for those points. Same with steals and blocks. But with assists… a player doesn’t really do much most of the time. [unless it’s like those plays I showed above + some] So I’m not discrediting players that get a lot of assists.. I’m saying that people kinda blow It up when a guy gets a lot of assists when really, a lot of those assists were nothing special.

cuz the bears lost?

Hey.. my names kinda confusing... so you guys can just call me BNB. I'm 20, I live in CHI, and I'm a huge Bulls and Bears fan. I really know my [expletive]... and sometimes I can get heated when people start a sports convo with me and they don't know what they're talking about. So if that happens... my bad haha.

Year You Became a Fan: 1990. When I was born! Why You Became a Fan: I was born in chicago. Favorite Bulls Player, All-Time: MJ/Scottie Pippen Favorite Bulls Coach, All-Time: Phil Jackson Favorite Bulls Moment: MJ's GW against Utah in the ginals. Amount of Bulls Games Attended: around 10.

Man... you guys don't need to increase activity... I'm an admin of another basketball forum and it's seriously dead over there. Over a year ago, the forum was getting like 30-50 thousand posts a month... and now it's like 2-3 thousand posts a month. You guys are doing just fine from what I can see.