Multi-Billionaire Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 John Wall or Derrick Rose? I didn't think I'd say this, but I'd actually pick Wall. Rose is quick, but Wall is fast. Rose is more likely to break your ankles with his crossover quickness, Rose's quick. But if you have Rose and Wall dribble from end to end, it's likely Wall gets to the other end first, Wall's faster. But at the end, it seems like Wall is the more explosive scorer... Rose is a 20 ppg scorer, but Wall scores effortlessly it seems and can be a 24-25 ppg scorer by 2nd - 3rd season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeroadkill Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 your picking wall because his faster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 9, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 The guy that's a proven franchise player. Ask me again in three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Right now, Rose. In 2 years, Wall. I have no doubt he'll be a superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) I would really be intrigued at the prospect of Wall to be honest. Not for any reason really, he just looks really sick, and I've never been a particularly huge fan of Rose's. Edited October 9, 2010 by travesy3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bomba Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Right now Rose because he's been in the NBA for a couple years and he is so much stronger than Wall. I think Wall is the better player than Rose at Rose's rookie year, but Rose has more physical tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 9, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Right now Rose because he's been in the NBA for a couple years and he is so much stronger than Wall. I think Wall is the better player than Rose at Rose's rookie year, but Rose has more physical tools.Yeah, I think if you compare both of their rookie seasons, Wall is hands down the better player. His overall skillset is much more defined, especially on the defensive end, and he's a better playmaker. I won't step out on a limb too far right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was saying the same thing in 2-3 seasons, discussion current play. Both should be legit franchise players, both all-stars in their primes, so it really comes down to how much Rose can improve before Wall actually surpasses him. It will have a lot to do with Rose developing new skills, while Wall polishes all of his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenIverson#1fan Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Rose. We've only seen Wall play SL games and pre-season ask me in a couple seasons to see how Wall plays with the big boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 This is ridiculous. Snake, I know you have a vendetta against Rose, but he's led the Bulls to 2 post-season appearances his first 2 seasons, and for the last few months of last year (after his injury) he was averaging about 23/7 on terrific FG%. He's a proven commodity with experience in both the regular and post-season. Don't get me wrong, Wall has loads of talent, but we have no idea exactly how he'll react to real NBA games. He may end up being ROTY, and I'd be a little surprised if he wasn't, but we also have no idea if he'll progress much after his rookie season (aka Elton Brand sydrome). I'm assuming he'll have a great rookie year and will progress to be a potential superstar, but Rose is already on that threshold and has proven his worth already. Until Wall proves something for a sustained period of time, it's foolish to say he's the better NBA player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Yeah, I think if you compare both of their rookie seasons, Wall is hands down the better player. His overall skillset is much more defined, especially on the defensive end, and he's a better playmaker. I won't step out on a limb too far right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was saying the same thing in 2-3 seasons, discussion current play. Both should be legit franchise players, both all-stars in their primes, so it really comes down to how much Rose can improve before Wall actually surpasses him. It will have a lot to do with Rose developing new skills, while Wall polishes all of his.I think it all comes down to what you just said. If Rose can't develop his 3 pointer, Wall will surpass him, but if Rose continues to improve, I can't see anyone passing Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bomba Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 I think it all comes down to what you just said. If Rose can't develop his 3 pointer, Wall will surpass him, but if Rose continues to improve, I can't see anyone passing Rose.Wall is a better shooter, but there really is not that big of a difference between the two when it comes to shooting the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Wall is a better shooter, but there really is not that big of a difference between the two when it comes to shooting the ball.Wall isn't the best shooter, but he at least provides a threat from deep, where D-rose's mid range game is better than Walls, but he is not threat from 3. Wall has a better chance to succeed as long as Rose can't stretch the D more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooh25 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 But at the end, it seems like Wall is the more explosive scorer... Rose is a 20 ppg scorer, but Wall scores effortlessly it seems and can be a 24-25 ppg scorer by 2nd - 3rd season.Rose was a 20 ppg scorer because he was injured last season:....and for the last few months of last year (after his injury) he was averaging about 23/7 on terrific FG%. He's a proven commodity with experience in both the regular and post-season. .... When playoff time comes, Rose just feasts on people. Ex: When Rose went off against the Cavs averaging 28 & 8 Right now Rose because he's been in the NBA for a couple years and he is so much stronger than Wall. I think Wall is the better player than Rose at Rose's rookie year, but Rose has more physical tools.Well, it's just preseason bud. Rose went off against Boston, he has the most points in a rookie debut, 36 points & 11 assists, and 8 boards(? forgot) not even a feat Michael Jordan accomplished nor Rajon Rondo / CP3 / Dwillz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miami Thrice 5 Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Definetly John Wall, hes already competing with D-Rose. Rose cant shoot, Wall can. Rose may have dribbling skills over wall, but Wall can pass better. Wall: 19.4 PPG, 9.6 APG, 2.6 SPG, Rose: 25 PPG, 9.8 APG, 0.8 SPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Definetly John Wall, hes already competing with D-Rose. Rose cant shoot, Wall can. Rose may have dribbling skills over wall, but Wall can pass better. Wall: 19.4 PPG, 9.6 APG, 2.6 SPG, Rose: 25 PPG, 9.8 APG, 0.8 SPG You got it twisted there. Rose is an awesome midrange jumpshooter who is consistent in that 15-20ft range. Wall's jumper is still nowhere near consistent from any range. However, I will say that Wall has been extremely impressive so far, and I have no doubt will be the better player. Already he is clearly a better playmaker and more skilled passer than Rose is, and also clearly a better defender. I'd probably still take Rose at the moment because of his experience and he's more capable of currently carrying a team, but very soon Wall will without a doubt be the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abro Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Walls basketball IQ is the only thing holding him back.. And he really needs to cut down on turnovers. Something nobody anywhere is talking about.. So Rose for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Walls basketball IQ is the only thing holding him back.. And he really needs to cut down on turnovers. Something nobody anywhere is talking about.. So Rose for sure No one's talking about it because... 1) He was expected to be a bit TO prone after he averaged quite a few of them last year in college. 2) He is a rookie who's had to carry a team the first 5 games in the season, so mistakes are expected. He's been so heavily depended on that his usage % is actually higher than both Deron Williams and Chris Paul, and only slightly behind Steve Nash. When you are a rookie who is expected to do THAT much right from the first game, something is bound to be exposed a bit. 3) He has the best PG skills coming straight out of college since CP3/D-Will back in 2005. 4) Rose is also averaging a ridiculous amount of TO's (4.8 per game) to kick the season off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) Wall is averaging less turnovers than Steve Nash and even Deron Williams IIRC. Just thought I'd mention that. Edited November 8, 2010 by Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Wall is averaging less turnovers than Steve Nash and even Deron Williams IIRC. Just thought I'd mention that. I don't know how today's games affected the stats, but through yesterday Nash was averaging .2 TO's less than Wall, and Williams was averaging 1.6 less TO's than Wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 I don't know how today's games affected the stats, but through yesterday Nash was averaging .2 TO's less than Wall, and Williams was averaging 1.6 less TO's than Wall.Ah touche, I was looking at older stats. Yeah he passed them already. There was a point where Wall was around 4 TO's and Nash was over 5 and D-Will was averaging more than Wall as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lone Granger Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 As of right now I have to say that Derrick Rose is the better basketball player. Sure, Wall means much more to the Wizards, but Rose has proven himself at the NBA level. Once John Wall proves himself, and if he lives up to even half of his potential, then I think it will be a dead race. If he gets to his full potential, he'll be knocking at the door for best NBA player in the league, not just point guards. That's my take on it anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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