fish7718 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Can you please explain to me how you come to the conclusion above? Where is the evidence? How is Kobe a better mid-range shooter and scorer than Michael? Give me some evidence...idk 2k ratings? Guess you just had to watch the games my man. BTW lol at your other dumb argument, I must have missed Jordan having a prime Shaq on his team when he was 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 idk 2k ratings? Guess you just had to watch the games my man. BTW lol at your other dumb argument, I must have missed Jordan having a prime Shaq on his team when he was 21 I've watched many games of Jordan on ESPN Classic and on YouTube and I've watched Kobe since around 98 when I first started following basketball. I think Jordan was better at getting to the basket and scoring or getting fouled, and I think Jordan's mid-range jumper was better than Kobe by the slightest of margins. If you wanna give your opinion, I just gave mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Okay, so what is your reasoning that Kobe is better than Jordan at scoring? I realize you want to throw out efficiency referring to your previous posts, but what is a main reason why he is a better scorer other than personal opinion?Growing up and watching my two favorite players play since 1989. At the end of the day, it's all personal opinion, because you can't stick numbers behind anything and prove a point like that. By the numbers, Tracy McGrady was a more dominant offensive player than O'Neal (who never averaged 30). Jordan got to the rim easier. He was an athletic nut, one of the most athletic players in the history of the game. He was far stronger than he looked, and he also had huge hands. Mid-range, uncontested, who knows...but contested? It's Kobe. Long range? Kobe. Post games are close. Jordan had a more dominant fadeaway, while Kobe had better footwork. Jordan has Kobe in slashing to the rim, dunking, finishing at the rim, rebounding and defense (and it's close, when Kobe actually has to lock someone down). Kobe takes Jordan in mid-range, long-range, passing, footwork, and longevity. Post game is a toss-up. Kobe breaks doubles better, shoots over them FAR better. Jordan is better with contact, and was faster for a while. If Kobe would actually put more effort into his defense, AND if Phil wouldn't ask him to roam every single game (mainly to help Fisher and our bigs), he would be the better overall player. I still could make the argument for him right now, and tomorrow, I'll say Jordan is. Next Thursday, I'll tell you Kobe. Factor in the awards and accomplishments, Jordan is the GOAT. Remove them, and things change a bit. Once it comes down to watching two guys dominate their opponents, you get a better feel for their games. Looking at stats, I don't know how well Jordan played certain defenders, or defensive strategies, or how well he played when his teammates were absolutely horrible, or if he played worse when they were involved, etc. No way of telling by stats...just by watching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) And, Jordan could travel all he wanted and push off people. He's an over-rated player, and couldn't hold Kobe's jock.Did you just start watching basketball? Come on now, that's just foolish. Kobe Bryant is not better in ANY facet of the game compared to Jordan. I don't think people here realize how good Michael Jordan was....and how mediocre his teams really were.... Edited February 21, 2011 by JYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Did you just start watching basketball? Come on now, that's just foolish. Kobe Bryant is not better in ANY facet of the game compared to Jordan. I don't think people here realize how good Michael Jordan was....and how mediocre his teams really were.... Well, he did have Scottie but you're right. He would've won 8 rings without a legit post presence which is pretty incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Well, he did have Scottie but you're right. He would've won 8 rings without a legit post presence which is pretty incredible. I wouldn't say he never had a legit post presence. Horace Grant didn't put up the flashiest of numbers or have the best post moves, but he was a pretty good post presence when he played for the Bulls from what I have seen. Sure, he isn't Shaq level, but Grant was pretty good you gotta give him his props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sħãlïq™ Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Here's a great comparison chart (by LAtimes.com): http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bryant-vs-jordan-i,0,5279814.htmlstory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 The Chicago Horace Grant was as good as Gasol...he put up double-doubles (around 15/10) and shot over 50% for the first ten seasons of his career, and was nearly putting buckets in at 60% one season, think it was the year they played Portland. Didn't play defense, though (neither does Pau). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Here's a great comparison chart (by LAtimes.com): http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bryant-vs-jordan-i,0,5279814.htmlstoryYeah, but it's just the numbers. People wouldn't dare compare Tim Duncan's numbers to Barkley's or Malone's, but we know he's the greatest PF to ever play the game because he was as complete as you can get for a big man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 The Chicago Horace Grant was as good as Gasol...he put up double-doubles (around 15/10) and shot over 50% for the first ten seasons of his career, and was nearly putting buckets in at 60% one season, think it was the year they played Portland. Didn't play defense, though (neither does Pau).Ehhh, I'd say Pau was better than him. Pau is a helluva player. Kobe's team's have always been better than Jordan's...not really even debatable. Kobe makes his teammates better. Jordan, well, he made his teammates good. Scottie Pippen is a prime example - personally, I think that guy is probably one of the most overrated players to ever play the game. He was good (not saying he wasn't) but he isn't one of the top 50 players of all time. Jordan absolutely made that guy's career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Ehhh, I'd say Pau was better than him. Pau is a helluva player. Kobe's team's have always been better than Jordan's...not really even debatable. Kobe makes his teammates better. Jordan, well, he made his teammates good. Scottie Pippen is a prime example - personally, I think that guy is probably one of the most overrated players to ever play the game. He was good (not saying he wasn't) but he isn't one of the top 50 players of all time. Jordan absolutely made that guy's career.I'm guessing you never read Olivers post.. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/topic/21199-pippen-bosh-is-half-a-player-jvg-a-jackass/page__view__findpost__p__241507 I repped RD's post because he brought up good points, but he's not valuing FG% as much as I think he should. Jordan did actually have to totally shoulder the load before Grant and Pippen got there. There's a poster or two here that seems to think that Pippen was there for Jordan's entire career when Pippen didn't come until Jordan's 4th season, and Pippen didn't even average 8 points per game that season, so the Pippen and Grant arguments that some people are using really can't be used when talking about the first 5 years of Jordan's career. And yes field goal percentage does have a lot to do with it when the players are scoring at the same clip. It shows that the player with the higher field goal percentage, while scoring the same amount of point, is going about it much more efficiently. The three point argument, holds no weight either. Just because a player can shoot the three pointer doesn't mean he always should, there's a thing about a good scorer knowing when to pick his spots. Bryant's a great volume scorer but he's not exactly an efficient scorer, whereas Jordan was probably one of the more efficient scorers of all time. Being a great offensive player isn't necessarily how many points you put up, but how you put up those points. Jordan knew his limitations and went with what worked, Bryant on the other tries to do a little too much most of the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Ehhh, I'd say Pau was better than him. Pau is a helluva player. Kobe's team's have always been better than Jordan's...not really even debatable. Kobe makes his teammates better. Jordan, well, he made his teammates good. Scottie Pippen is a prime example - personally, I think that guy is probably one of the most overrated players to ever play the game. He was good (not saying he wasn't) but he isn't one of the top 50 players of all time. Jordan absolutely made that guy's career.You can give me just one LA team that may have been better than Jordan's 72-win Bulls, and that's it. The Kobe/Gasol Lakers couldn't touch that Bulls team. Rodman would turn Gasol into Shawn Bradley, and because we are terrible at closing out on shooters, the Bulls would light us up, even if Jordan and Kobe were locking themselves down. Kobe and Shaq didn't have much help, at all, and that's what was different between the first dynasty Lakers, and the two dynasty Bulls teams. Chicago's two runs had guys like Grant in the post, Longley (who was an underrated defender, probably just because he was white and goofy), a plethora of shooters that not even LeBron had when he was in Cleveland (including Paxson, who won the 1993 Finals series with a three that Jordan kicked out to him), monster defenders in Pippen (one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all-time) and Rodman (THE greatest defensive player of all-time, among all positions)...it was a team built to perfection, surrounded by a player that, after he started hitting from long range here and there, really had no weaknesses to his game. Scottie could've taken a team to the Finals. I would bet $500 if I could. He had a big chance, but came up short...and if he had that one other person, to take the load off of him on defense, he could've done it. He carried Grant, Kukoc, Armstrong and Kerr to a 55-win season and a 4-3 loss to the same Knicks team that went on to lose to the Rockets, in the Finals, in seven games. They were 6th in the NBA in defense, top half of the league in scoring. In fact, they were ranked higher, defensively, than they were in 1990-91 and 1992-93, and Pippen's defensive rating was stellar, the best of his career, and better than any defensive rating Jordan ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Too bad Oliver P doesn't post more, dude is a basketball genius. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Too bad Oliver P doesn't post more, dude is a basketball genius.He still posts here lol, just not as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 He still posts here lol, just not as much. I realize he posts, but he doesn't post very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm guessing you never read Olivers post.. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/topic/21199-pippen-bosh-is-half-a-player-jvg-a-jackass/page__view__findpost__p__241507 I repped RD's post because he brought up good points, but he's not valuing FG% as much as I think he should. Jordan did actually have to totally shoulder the load before Grant and Pippen got there. There's a poster or two here that seems to think that Pippen was there for Jordan's entire career when Pippen didn't come until Jordan's 4th season, and Pippen didn't even average 8 points per game that season, so the Pippen and Grant arguments that some people are using really can't be used when talking about the first 5 years of Jordan's career. And yes field goal percentage does have a lot to do with it when the players are scoring at the same clip. It shows that the player with the higher field goal percentage, while scoring the same amount of point, is going about it much more efficiently. The three point argument, holds no weight either. Just because a player can shoot the three pointer doesn't mean he always should, there's a thing about a good scorer knowing when to pick his spots. Bryant's a great volume scorer but he's not exactly an efficient scorer, whereas Jordan was probably one of the more efficient scorers of all time. Being a great offensive player isn't necessarily how many points you put up, but how you put up those points. Jordan knew his limitations and went with what worked, Bryant on the other tries to do a little too much most of the time.I don't take it into consideration as much for many reasons... 1) The zone defense kept Bryant out of the paint, and prevented him from taking short jumpers. It had a visible effect on all guards after Jordan's era...by the numbers, or just by watching.2) Kobe had to put up the most shots (more than Shaq after their first ring), facilitate the offense AND defend the best player on the court, all in a night's work. Jordan was getting IV's from his flu game. Kobe got them every few nights, just by playing.3) Out of all teams that have held their opponents to 42% or less shooting in a season (there are 11 of them), only one of them is from Jordan's era. One is from the 70's, and the other nine are from 1998-2010...Kobe's era. I can't ignore that stuff. It's a big deal. I don't know how many times I saw Jordan get to the rim with just one defensive player on him, and nobody waiting because Jordan would have Pippen, Armstrong and Paxson all waiting for jumpers in the corners (hell, Armstrong shot .499 with the Bulls one season, and a career average of nearly 48% due to the way teams played other players). Stockton and Cheeks shot 57% in a season before. Have you ever seen a player do that? From 1984 (Jordan's rookie year) to 1998 (retirement), here are all guards that have shot 50% or better from the floor, while averaging 15+ PPG. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1985&year_max=1998&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=G&qual=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=gt&c1val=.500&c2stat=pts_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=15&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws There are a lot of them. From 1998-2011? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1999&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=G&qual=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=gt&c1val=.500&c2stat=pts_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=15&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws That's a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 M.J. couldn't hold Kobe's jock strap. It's all revisionist history and making past greats seem better then they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 M.J. couldn't hold Kobe's jock strap. It's all revisionist history and making past greats seem better then they were. So.... With this logic CP3 is better than Magic Johnson? Yeah... http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/058/855/original/GTFO7.png?1278991790 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 21, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm not going to reply to someone that truly thinks that Michael Jordan could score 100 points in today's game. Give me a break. I'm just going to assume you're kidding. And I don't need your copy/paste lecture about zone defense. If you're going to tell me about it, write it up yourself. There were 6 (including MJ) "wing" players who won Def Player Of The Year 8 times amongst them in jordans era. Now aside from Ron Artest, SHOW ME a defensive resume like this from today's era of guards? That's what I thought..You're a liar. Alvin RobertsonMichael CooperMichael JordanGary Payton Those were the only four "wing" DPOY winners from 1984 (Jordan's rookie year) to 1998 (Jordan's real retirement). Leave out MJ, and you have just three. And they all won the award once. http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html --------- As far as the rest of your post goes, Mark Jackson is one of a few that have said that Kobe is the best player they've ever seen. I don't really care what ANY of those guys say. Those that played in the Jordan era don't want to make the game sound easier for them, obviously. And, you don't get the concept of a zone defense, and having to commit to the double team. Yeah, it happened...and committing means Jordan had teammates open all over the place. It happened less than it should've. Bigs could camp in the paint? They still do. Not being able to, on defense, doesn't mean the zone is busted. You zone up around the perimeter, and have your bigs with a foot out of the paint. Have you ever seen a 3-2 zone? http://www.coachesclipboard.net/images/32ZoneDefenseSet.GIF Nice job avoiding the fact that there were around 74 instances of a player scoring 15+ PPG and shooting 50% from the floor back in Jordan's era, and only 15-16 after he retired. You can say what you want...but the copy/paste stuff doesn't work, and if you're going to tell me something, make sure your info is accurate (ex. DPOY statement). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I don't take it into consideration as much for many reasons... 1) The zone defense kept Bryant out of the paint, and prevented him from taking short jumpers. It had a visible effect on all guards after Jordan's era...by the numbers, or just by watching.2) Kobe had to put up the most shots (more than Shaq after their first ring), facilitate the offense AND defend the best player on the court, all in a night's work. Jordan was getting IV's from his flu game. Kobe got them every few nights, just by playing.3) Out of all teams that have held their opponents to 42% or less shooting in a season (there are 11 of them), only one of them is from Jordan's era. One is from the 70's, and the other nine are from 1998-2010...Kobe's era. I can't ignore that stuff. It's a big deal. I don't know how many times I saw Jordan get to the rim with just one defensive player on him, and nobody waiting because Jordan would have Pippen, Armstrong and Paxson all waiting for jumpers in the corners (hell, Armstrong shot .499 with the Bulls one season, and a career average of nearly 48% due to the way teams played other players). Stockton and Cheeks shot 57% in a season before. Have you ever seen a player do that? From 1984 (Jordan's rookie year) to 1998 (retirement), here are all guards that have shot 50% or better from the floor, while averaging 15+ PPG. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1985&year_max=1998&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=G&qual=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=gt&c1val=.500&c2stat=pts_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=15&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws There are a lot of them. From 1998-2011? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1999&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=G&qual=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=gt&c1val=.500&c2stat=pts_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=15&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws That's a big difference.The truth is it's about the same to get in the lane than it always has been, things are just different now. It's tougher to drive because of pseudo-zones, but at the same times because no team is allowed to play a traditional zone the defenses still get stretched a good bit because of the three point shot is such an instrumental part of the most teams offenses. But back in the day it was just as hard to drive because while there wasn't zones, defenses didn't extend themselves as much as they do now, so why teams could isolate there wasn't as much distance for a weakside defender to cover. My biggest concern with Kobe's game is his decision making. Jordan had the higher bball IQ because he knew his limitations, while you often see Kobe jacking up terrible shots instead of trusting his teammates. That's always been a huge knock on Kobe, but he has learned a bit from that ever since Shaq left. Obviously Jordan had it different in his day, but come on, the glaring differences in FG% are just too much for one to just ignore. Jordan had 7 straight seasons with 30PPG or more, Kobe has reached that feat three times in his career. I agree with you that Kobe has the wider arsenal on offense, but as to who's the better player at getting the ball into the hoop, you gotta give it to Jordan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 22, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Cutler... But you only care what that one time all star mark jackson says? Ok good for you. I made it clear that I didn't care what ANYONE said. I posted it once, and now I'm posting it again. I form my opinions based on what I know, not what someone thinks they know. [some stuff about zone being played in here]Yeah, again, I stated that zone WAS played by teams in the 80s and 90s, but they had to commit to doubles, and it wasn't a strict zone. You show me an example from YouTube? Do you know how many games there were, how many possessions you've skipped over, in the 80s and 90s? I don't care about the quotes from other players. You take your time criticizing the last decade's defensive teams, but you have nothing. Those teams held their opponents to a worse FG% than ANY other teams in NBA history, and only 1/11 came from Jordan's era. Players' PPG means nothing. The league changed because of those that were drafted. The 2003-04 draft contained three dominant scorers, and one all-star scorer. The cap increased, and teams could afford to shed salary to add a big-time scorer to their roster, even if it meant having him all by himself (ala McGrady in Orlando). Didn't make it easier. FG% will tell you that. Players were smarter, and that explains the crazy decrease in FG%? Haha...well, okay. That's your explanation, because you don't have a legitimate reason. The jump is too steep to support your theory, and players are now stronger and more athletic, sorry. There are 3-4 reasons for it. Rodman was primarily a post defender. Alvin actually defended the point most of the time. Jordan wasn't playing when Moncrief won. It's all still irrelevant. Your numbers were wrong even if you add Moncrief. I'm not the one saying mj would score 100 points, the laker shooting coach said that, lol. But no doubt in my mind mj could possibly score 100 in a game against todays defenses and rules.So, yeah, you are saying it... Anyway, I'm done talking about it with you. You dismiss everything by making up numbers, or bringing quotes into it, so there's no point in me going any further with it. We know you're obsessed with MJ. This is the most NBA posting you've ever done. But, it's all stuff that you haven't seen in your lifetime, and stats that are easily negated by the way teams and players played. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerrickRose1 Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Jordan obviously.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 23, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 That's actually a better post. I have no problem replying to that. However, the reply is going to be short, because Bryant simply shot more difficult shots (threes, and contested jumpers). Why? Partially because he didn't have anyone else to take those shots on the team (not even in the Kobe/Shaq dynasty), partially because the zone pushed him out of the paint, and partially because Shaq pushed him out of the paint. It's not necessarily bad shot selection. People can point out 2-3 bad shots in about half of his games, sure, but that's not enough to swing a career FG% from 46% to 50%. What happened after the 1991-1992 season? Jordan never shot 50% or better, ever again. This is a 29-year old Jordan. The most threes attempted, by Jordan, in one season? It was 3.6. Kobe exceeded that eight times, with a high of 6.5 3PTA/G. Jordan's career FG% is 4% better. Check this out... 4,064 3PT20,841 FG20% of Kobe's shots are threes 1,778 3PT24,537 FG7% of Jordan's shots were threes If you consider the fact that Kobe shoots a lot of threes, and is the primary scoring option (and has been since 2000-01 season, based on FGA), it's impressive that he's at 46% FG. If you want to compare him to one of the greatest shooters of all-time, check out Ray Allen's career FG% (45%). While Allen has taken 2,000 more three-pointers and shoots the three 38% of the time, he has also shot poorly in Seattle, and even in Milwaukee a few times (when he was the primary option), but has been on fire in Boston, where he's more of a catch-and-shoot player, and not a primary option. When you have an expanded range, and you're asked to shoot 20-25 times a game, your FG% is going to decrease. It's true that Kobe's range is greater than Jordan's, correct? I'll show you something really interesting, to close out my end of the debate. Season numbers of... FG% is >= 47% (very generous here)FGA/G is >= 20 (basically what Jordan and Kobe have shot most of their careers)3PTA/G is >= 4 (near Kobe's career average of 3.8) Guess who has achieved this in NBA history (in a single season, not career)? Just three players...LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Dale Ellis. Kobe reached 46%, shot 4+ 3PTA/G and shot 20 FGA/G twice in his career. If only three players in NBA history achieved 47% while shooting those threes and that many shots per game, I don't think anyone should have a problem with Kobe's career 46% FG, especially considering the amount of defensive attention he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 So.... With this logic CP3 is better than Magic Johnson? Yeah... http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/058/855/original/GTFO7.png?1278991790We really need a -1 button for posts like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 We really need a -1 button for posts like this I'd like a -1 button as well, but think what ECN's rep would look like...http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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