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Yeah last winter that [expletive] would happen to me everytime it would snow. It'd take me over an hour, with the help of a friend, to dig my car out. [expletive]'s ridiculous.

A quick 16 for ya'll...

Nothing is better than Devin Brown's expression after T-Mac hit the GW... http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/tigercranestyle/devinsecks.jpg (only pic I could find of it so sorry for the text)

http://media.nj.com/hudsoncountynow_impact/photo/9217681-large.jpg OMG SEX!!! From a bust in NJ this week.

My favorite basketball moment ever. I just came home from basketball practice for my travelling team and I turned the game on literally a minute before he hit the first 3. When he was in his zone, nothing could stop him.

Wrote this to the 'Sunshine' instrumental by Atmosphere. It's actually a song with a hook and whatnot...

He's not the 2nd best C in the league. Off the top of my head Howard, Duncan, Noah, Bogut, Bynum and Jefferson are all better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj1TbK-j0fY No one made the game looks easier than T-Mac back at his peak and he was in his zone...not Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, no one. I miss 00-05 T-Mac so much

QB's use their legs to generate enough power to throw the deep ball, and every single time he throws he has to plant with that leg. On top of that, how many times do QB's get hit during the game? Quite a bit, especially Cutler playing behind the worst offensive line in the league. Cutler, unlike Brady, is also a mobile QB who relies on his legs to make plays, even if it's just simple rollouts or off broken plays ala Big Ben. And Vick did miss about 3 games (the one he injured it in along with I believe 2 after that) with his rib injury. And WTF does LeBron have to do with anything? From what I remember that was just a strain, and I do believe it affected his performance a bit. I don't even know what you're trying to get at here, just bringing up random [expletive] things and comparing two completely different sports. One final time- If the Bears won, Cutler would be questionable to doubtful for the Super Bowl. If it wasn't serious enough to cause pain, he would be a lock to play in the SB. The training staff...you know, professionals who were there when the injury happened and checked out his knee...concured that he couldn't return. How is that not enough for you? Just because he wasn't carted off the field and wasn't trying to fight coaches to get back in the game doesn't mean he wasn't hurting and he doesn't have a strong desire for the game.

Neither did other players with similar injuries, such as Hines Ward. There are other players with simple injuries like ankle sprains that miss weeks. Not because they aren't tough or don't care, but because they simply couldn't play on a pro level with those injuries. Shooting a basketball 20x a game with a torn ligament in the finger doesn't even compare to being an NFL QB playing with a torn ligament in the knee. That's laughable. When Kobe plays with an MCL tear, then your analogy will have some more meaning. And even then, they are two completely different sports.

As I said; irrational. Understandable, but irrational.

LINK Gold. Pure, greasy gold.

When has he ever torn his MCL in a big game? What we do know is he did tear his MCL before in a game, and was forced to sit the rest of the game out. Try and twist that anyway you want.

That's the problem; when people find a scapegoat, especially a common one like Cutler, they will be completely irrational at times. This Cutler situation is one of those instances. All the crap he's done in the past is irrelevant to this isolated injury. He tried to play with it, couldn't go, the training/coaching staff felt he couldn't go, and the MRI showed he did infact have a significant injury. If he played on that injury, he would have been at a great risk of tearing his ACL (according to an article DBF posted), which would have kept him out for a very long time. As far as injuries go, athletes know their own bodies, and they have the best doctors and trainers in the world to diagnose and treat these injuries. So, whatever they say I'll tend to believe. I've also seen too many times a coach/owner try and push the player to play through injury, and he does so and ends up royally [expletive]ing his career up (like what Adelman did with T-Mac in 2008, in which the injury eventually led to his microfracture surgery). As long as the athlete doesn't have an agenda to [expletive] his team over, then they should have their word taken seriously. If they can't go out there and make positive contributions, and are feeling significant pain, they should sit out.

And look at how many former players are half-retarded for playing through concussions, or can't get up in the morning because they played through injury and didn't let themselves heal. Besides, as DBF said, one of the NFL's toughest players, Hines Ward, suffered the exact same injury and wasn't able to continue playing. That should be telling enough.

If they thought it wasn't a serious enough injury to require ice in an NFC Championship game, then something would have come out from the Bear camp, whether it be straight-forwardly or annonymously, bashing Cutler. And I clearly remember him trying to ride the bike, so obviously there was treatment involved. The Bears wouldn't neglect their FRANCHISE QB treatment in the most important game of the season. If you seriously believe that, then you're just being foolish. He DID tear his MCL, and didn't know exactly when it happened, completely debunking your theory that you should know immediately if it's a tear or not. That DOES NOT matter. What does matter is that he felt the pain, and didn't think he was able to perform at the minimal level required to play in the game, and obviously the training staff concured. Basically, everyone agreed it was best he sat out, and the MRI confirmed that was the right decision. Football is a physical game, and in the NFL you have 300lbs guys coming at you at full-speed trying to take you down. Being able to stand, or even being able to jog/lightly run, doesn't mean you're good to go. If that was the case, there would be a lot more players playing on ankle sprains and similar injuries. I can't believe your side of this arguement...it's absolutely ridiculous. Just because he didn't knock the coach out, ran back on the field and ran a few plays before eventually tearing his ACL doesn't mean he doesn't have a strong desire for the sport. And he certainly made the right decision staying off the field. No one knows your own body better than yourself, so the fact that he made the right decision based on the pain he felt, which was backed by the MRI showing a tear, means that he did nothing wrong....except he didn't put on a show on the sidelines displaying his high levels of testosterone, even though it wouldn't have changed anything the mattered, and if it did would have put him at a strong risk of suffering a very serious injury. That's what you wanted, right?

You saw maybe a few clips of Cutler on the sidelines the entire 2nd half, so you have no idea what they did to treat the injury. I highly, highly doubt the training staff didn't try to treat the injury, especially during an NFC Championship game. If they thought it was an injury that didn't even require ice, he would have been back on the field, or the coaching staff/team would have ripped him apart in the post-game, even if it was done anonymously. That wasn't the case. Just being able to stand and being able to play QB in THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE(!!!) are 2 very different things. There is a reason why if the Bears had won he would have been a game-time decision for the Super Bowl. I'm sorry, but your silly comparisons with you and your brother playing with similar injuries in high school basketball/pickup basketball have no relevance. Football is an entirely different animal, and we're talking about playing on a pro-level here. Not to mention playing against a really tough defense behind arguably the worst offensive line in the league.

It's really not, especially when 2Pac made thousands of songs and probably didn't have even 5min worth of rhyme-biting. I KNOW Nas doesn't have even 2min of biting people's rhymes, and he's been around longer than Jay.

We're talking about 7+ minutes of someone biting other rappers' rhymes, a lot of times word-for-word. 3 minutes of just Biggie [expletive], and then Jay had the nerve to call himself better than Big. I'm sorry, but it rubs me the wrong way. Find me even 2min of Nas or Em biting other people's rhymes and I'd give the, "All rappers bite lines" statement some credence.

T-Mac partying like it's 2003 in that 1st half...had 17/3/3 on 7-14 shooting. I had a feeling he'd come to play against the Magic.

You're completely wrong if you think there's no one defending him besides his teammates and some people on OTR. I've been exposed to about 20min of sports today; 15min of sports radio, and 5min of ESPN. In the 15min of sports radio, Mike Francesa was defending him, and thought it was ridiculous that people are condemning Cutler for yesterday when he would have been questionable at best had the Bears made the Super Bowl. In the 5min I watched ESPN, I heard Drew Brees, a fellow QB, saying the hate was undeserved and that you can't rip a guy apart without knowing the severity of the injury. That's just from what I heard. And I'd expect former players to say that; they have that jacked up testosterone and mentality to say those kinds of things, but fact of the matter is they are in the exact same position we are judging Cutler's injury. Unless they had the same exact injury and were in the same exact situation, they are just as ignorant to it as you or I. And he DID try and test it out, in the 3rd quarter...and he couldn't go, period. Do you question Hines Ward, who a poster in this thread showed had the same injury and couldn't play out that specific game? You may have no sympathy for him, but your reasoning as to why it's "his fault" is irrational. Just because he had poor body language doesn't mean a guy with a ligament tear should re-enter a game where he would have been a lameduck behind a crappy offensive line. When you factor in he's the franchise QB, it makes even less sense.

Not 7+ minutes of material, most lines being bitten word-for-word. Also, Em never bit 3+ minutes of a single rapper's lines and then claimed to be better than that rapper, like Jay did with BIG.

There's a huge difference between using a line, keeping the original rapper's voice, and making it a hook (which is what he did with Dead President II), as opposed to spitting someone's same line in a verse. "How much of Biggie's rhymes gon' come out your fat lips?"

It's much better lol, especially since Jay-Z stole the best line in that verse. And listen to that song I told you, you won't look at Jay-Z the same way again. He's stolen about half of the best lines in his career.

The last line he bit. Listen to the Jay-Z diss I posted in this thread a day or two ago called 'Swagger Jacker' by Cam'ron. It's a 7min mix of Jay-Z biting other rapper's lines. And FWIW... Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish