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Anyway man... Good talking to you. I'm out. I look forward to reading you go crazy over LBJ later lol... I know that's comin

lol... I thought this was fun... If i have to be a Lakers fan or a Kobe nut rider to fit in then your right... I should leave... I'll take my chance though.

My point is MJ and LBJ do more to help their team win... You interpret it as a guard vs a big... Not the case... I was showing you how every stat Pau was better at Kobe... Not just rebounds and blocks... Doing that again is what someone does when they're beat... Forget the MJ and Kobe thing cause that's too easy... Any stat you possible want to compare it's Jordan every time... LBJ is closer to MJ than Kobe... Easy..... Easy... As far as what he means to his team and production goes... All of LBJ's stats are closer to MJ's than Kobe's ever was. Kobe was a pure scorer don't get me wrong... I'm talking about efficiency.... FG%, rebounds, assists... All the other stuff... LeBron's Def Rating is always better than Kobe's as well...

By the way.... Pippen's OWS his rookie year was -0.4 lmao and his Off Rating was 98 lol lol lol.... He sure was helpful... man... I've never seen numbers so low.... He helped Jordan win MVP cause Jordan had to do more to cover up for his mistakes lmao

Hey i just did you a favor man... I'm the bad guy and your site loves you more now

hanging onto one little thing i said is also a sign of someone that's beat... If you do believe Jordan is the G.O.A.T. and Kobe can't reach him then my mistake...

Yeah... Jordan didn't play basketball in college or play baseball... He just sat and rested every day...

lol... You mean until you got tired of losing so you just make the other guy sound like he's a kid and knows nothing?.... lol "good" talk... I'll let you get back to feeling supreme...

And how did Kobe's greatness help them today? lol.... Oh wait... I guess i don't watch basketball though... Cause someone that does would make excuses for 10-27 shooting right? Kobe sure is clutch....

NOW I KNOW I WON LMAO...... You took Jordan's LAST year with the Bulls??!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA.... You mad a 35 year old Jordan can win the MVP, Finals and Finals MVP but Kobe at 32 can't even be #1 in WS???? hahaha.... Jordan was at 35!!! You are one of these kids that thinks Kobe is already better than Jordan... smfh...

by the way, i'm out for the night... Might be on later... Don't want you thinking i ran away from you cause how dang smart you are

lol lol lol............ You are so bias it's pathetic... I'm no one to be intimidated either... I ain't leaving unless you ban me for speaking the truth... I always hear the "Jordan couldn't win without Pippen thing"... You my friend delivered it in the worst possible way... Jordan played 2 FULL seasons before the Bulls drafted Pippen... So yes... Jordan's first 2 years he couldn't win... Ok... You remember when Jordan scored 63 points @ Boston?.... That was Jordan's fault they didn't win that series?... They lost that game too... A lot of help Jordan had... in 87-88 the Bulls were 50-32... Pippen was a rookie and averaged 7.9 ppg.... Wow.... Impressive... That was the year Jordan won MVP and DPY... A 24 year old Oakley was his robin... Please... Stop..... Michael Jordan Shot over 50% in each of his first 3 appearances in the NBA Finals. Averaged 31.2 ppg and 11.4 apg in his 1st Finals appearance Averaged 41 ppg, 8.5 rpg and 6.3 apg in the 1993 Finals Averaged at least 31.2 ppg in 5 of his 6 Finals appearances In his 6-year career in the Finals Averaged 33.6 ppg, 6 rpg and 6 apg and 48.1 FG% Kobe Bryant Only averaged more than 28.6 once (avg. 32.4 in 09) Most assist averaged was 7.4 Averaged 40.5% or less in 4 of his 7 appearances and 43% or less in 6 of 7 In his 7 year career in the Finals Averaged 24.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.9 apg and 41.2 FG% Now I know exactly what you are thinking… “Man, that’s only cause Shaq was there for his first 4 appearances.” Very true. However without Shaq, no way Kobe would have those 4 Finals appearances and 3 rings. But lets look at the numbers shall we? Kobe with Shaq in NBA Finals 21 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.6 apg and 41.1% Kobe without Shaq in NBA Finals 28.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.2 apg and 41.2% Plus the only NBA Finals the Lakers lost with Shaq (04) was the only year that Kobe attempted more shots than Shaq in the Finals. Kobe attempted 29 more FG’s than Shaq, however Shaq still lead the series with 26.6 ppg and shot 63.1% while Kobe had 22.6 and shot 38.1%... So even without Shaq (00-02 and 04) Kobe’s ppg and FG% (08-10) are still nowhere near Jordan’s… Let’s look more into what each player had. Of course Jordan had Pippen. Pippen was great. Pippen averaged 18.9 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 5.9 apg and shot 42.4% in his 6 year Finals career. But, Pau Gasol in his 3 year Finals career has averaged 17.2 ppg, 10.4 rpg and 1.6 bpg. His FG% is 52.8%! I think Pau being compared to Pippen is very reasonable. Let’s not forget about Shaq either! Shaq averaged 33.5 ppg, 14.1 rpg, 2.3 bpg and shot 60.2% in his 4 years that the Lakers made the Finals! So Shaq (4 Finals) + Pau (3 Finals) > Pippen 6 Finals Oh and by the way... Jordan only played 9 full seasons with Pippen and won 6 rings... Kobe played 8 seasons with Shaq It doesn't take a genius to know Shaq > Pippen and almost 4 now with Pau... 12 seasons with future Hall of Famers... Jordan had 9. 6 rings > 5 rings 6 Finals MVP's > 2 Finals MVP's lol lol lol @ you thinking your some ESPN analyst and i'm some bum...

Y'all got 87 registered Lakers fans... <_< lol

You're wrong my friend..... Even when Kobe was the 2nd option to Shaq, he still wasn't fantastic... Kobe has ALWAYS shot bad %'s in the Finals... With or without Shaq... LeBron's advanced stats are better than Wade's and Dwight's are better than anyone else on the Magic as well.... Jordan's advanced stats were always better than Pippen's except a few points higher in Def Rating... Well..... There goes that excuse of poor Kobe... He's the #1 threat..... Pau's advanced stats have been better than Kobe's EVERY YEAR since Pau has been a Laker... Pau led the Grizzlies to their only 3 playoff appearances EVER... His numbers have stayed about the same.... Again.... Not like he needed Kobe to boost his stats... He just needed another all-star so he could win rings... It's funny how Kobe's 3 years by himself the Lakers wins in each season were 34, 45, 42... But with Shaq and Pau he's been to the Finals 7 out of 8 seasons (with Shaq or Pau on the Lakers...) If Kobe was so great then why couldn't he even get the Lakers out of the 1st rd in any of those 3 years??? If Kobe never had Shaq or Pau then he would be in LeBron's shoes... (before LeBron left for Miami of course...) Look at the Cavs roster in 07 when he took them to the Finals... Don't tell me Kobe had no help... He just didn't have the best team... That's what he's had the last 3 seasons... A top 3 team (talent wise).

The fact is it's EVERYTHING!!! Every single stat! Kobe fans always don't want to talk stats... You know why? Cause Jordan and even LeBron kill him in everything.... I'll leave that alone though... Let's just talk Kobe and Pau.... These are the stats that Pau has over Kobe... FG%, 3P% (lol... I guess Pau has hit 1 of 3 on the season... Still Kobe's 32.1% is horrible), FT%, rpg, BLK, less TOV and only 6 less ppg.... But Kobe shoots 6 more shots a game... So Pau shoots 52.7%... He would make at least 3 more shots a game if he took as many shots as Kobe which means at least 6 more ppg... Kobe has ppg, apg and STL over Pau... Advanced stats... Pau has Kobe at TS%, eFG%, ORB%, DRB%, TRB%, BLK%, less TOV%, 13 less plays a game ran for aka USG%, Off Rating, Def Rating, OWS, DWS, WS, WS/48 Kobe has Pau at AST% and STL%..... So..... Yeah it's not just "bogus stats".... It's almost every single stat!

i didn't say Pau was better.... Just more valuable...

hahahaha..... Lakers fans are funny......

I don't dislike him. I think he's misunderstood... Some of his techs he gets are cause of his rep. I saw him get thrown out of a game for looking at a ref for 3 seconds lol... I wouldnt mind trading him though cause he rarely plays good D and he Jax (get it? Lol) up too many shots... but no one will take his contract... Probably gonna have to keep him...

You would think but apparently not with his draft history... Or maybe we just have the worst scouts money can buy lol... I'm afraid.... Jimmer and Kyle Singler seem like guys Jordan would draft lol

Lakers fans clown on Pau cause when the Lakers lose it can't ever possibly be Kobe's fault... It's Pau, Artest, Odom and Bynum being hurt... Or Fish being old... Always anything but blame Kobe... Kobe shot 25% in game 7 of the Finals last year.. They still won... Kobe shot 40.5% for the series... Obviously his team didn't suck... I gaurantee you though if the Lakers had of lost game 7 it would have been "Pau's fault"... Not Kobe's... Look at Kobe and Pau's advanced stats this year.... Off Rating, Def Rating, WS... All of that... Pau has more to do with the Lakers winning than Kobe... I know I know.... That's blasphemy and Kobe lovers gonna go crazy... Smh... Stop living in the past and realize he has taken a step back... Last year when Kobe was hurt and missed games the Lakers had a winning record without him... I don't know how many games I've see these last 2 years where Kobe is like -5 for the game but they still win... Pau is an all-star and Odom will win 6th man of the year.. Ron-Ron won defensive player of the year long before he came to L.A. And Phil won 6 rings without Kobe.... Somehow Lakers fans still think every single game they win is 100% because of Kobe... End of Lakers rant...

I won't even get into how stupid Amar'e has been recently... He really pissed me off with what he tweeted about BYU over the Brandon Davies situation... Anyway.... I'll just say that Pau is one of the most underrated players in the game... Pau is not soft and Amar'e is the last big man (other than Bosh) to be calling anyone soft... The Knicks can't win games right now cause NO ONE DEFENDS THE PAINT OR REBOUNDS..... Ama're should be the one doing those things. Pau stepped up huge earlier this year while Bynum was out and played great. Pau Gasol 10.2 rpg Def Rating: 103 Def WS: 4.3 Amar'e Stoudemire 8.3 rpg Def Rating: 108 Def WS: 2.4 So Amar'e.... I gotta give you one of these ... I have a feeling you'll be sitting at home after about 5 or 6 games into the playoffs.... And i hate the Lakers

Ok..... I need to see all of y'alls credentials... I still have NO IDEA how it's Pau 6, Monta 5 right now.... People say Pau is "soft" but he averages 10.2 rpg, 1.7 bpg and has a Def Rating of 103..... While averaging 18.9 ppg AS THE 2ND OPTION!!! He takes only 13.8 shots a game!!! Monta allows more points per 100 possessions than he SCORES!!! How can you possibly think that's a good thing??? People who vote for Monta over Pau needs to be put on probation...

Very easy for me..... Monta is a GREAT scorer...... But i want someone who can create for others AND themselves... That's Westbrook... And Monta doesn't play D... Something about little SG's i don't like. You give up way too much defensively... Height matters on the defensive side. I never liked A.I. that much either. Westbrook is a poor man's Derrick Rose... Not many NBA players i would take over Westbrook if i was starting a franchise. 22.1 ppg and 8.3 apg is beast mode...