Poe Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) Grading defense only. My list:Kirk HinrichThabo SefoloshaBrandon RoyStephen JacksonKobe Bryant Honorable Mention: Dwyane Wade, Arron Afflalo, Keith Bogans I might edit this list later. BTW, this is not counting Raja Bell cause of his injury, and Shane Battier since he's primarily played SF this year. Edited March 22, 2010 by Poe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Grading defense only. My list:Kirk HinrichThabo SefoloshaKobe BryantStephen JacksonBrandon Roy I might edit this list later. BTW, this is not counting Raja Bell cause of his injury, and Shane Battier since he's primarily played SF this year. Shane Battier has always been a SF and his defense hasnt been top 5 either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Shane Battier has always been a SF and his defense hasnt been top 5 either.Then it shouldn't be a problem either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 How is Wade not on your list O_O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I made the list in haste. He's a good shotblocker for being a guard and he's a tremendous defender in the clutch, or whenever the Heat really need a defensive stop. The downside to Wade's defense is that he'll take plays off. Then again, same thing could be said about Kobe and maybe Roy. Even then, his help defense with his ability to block, steal, and deflect should put him in my top 5. I'll edit my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Blasco Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Grading defense only. My list:Kirk HinrichThabo SefoloshaStephen JacksonKobe BryantDwyane Wade I might edit this list later. BTW, this is not counting Raja Bell cause of his injury, and Shane Battier since he's primarily played SF this year. List looks solid to me. You can throw Delonte West in there over Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 How about Aaron Afflalo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 How about Aaron Afflalo? pretty much the best one and dahnty jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 In case people forgot the trend, you're supposed to write down your own top 5 in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 1. Kobe Bryant2. Kirk Hinrich3. Thabo Sefolosha4. Aaron Afflalo5. Dwayne Wade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 22, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Don't leave out Brandon Roy. He's one of the better defensive players in the league. I'll add my list later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 1. Kobe Bryant2. Thabo Sefolosha3. Kirk Hinrich4. Aaron Affalo (or is it Arron?)5. Dwyane Wade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 22, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 In no order... Kirk HinrichArron AfflaloBrandon RoyKobe BryantDwyane Wade Honorable Mention: Eric Gordon, Thabo Sefolosha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 1. Kobe Bryant2. Aaron Afflalo3. Kirk Hinrich4. Thabo Sefolosha4. Dwyane Wade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Don't leave out Brandon Roy. He's one of the better defensive players in the league. I'll add my list later.Well, thing is, so is Arron Afflalo, and Keith Bogans seems to have done some solid work this year as well. It's hard to name just 5 in this category. I haven't watched Brandon Roy that much this year, though. I know he is at least a top 10 perimeter defender, but has he really progressed as far as being a clear cut top 5 in his position among Hinrich, Sefolosha, Afflalo, Jackson, Bryant, Wade, Bogans, Charlie Bell, West, and Ronnie Brewer? Also, I was reluctant to include Arron Afflalo in my own 5 because of the team he plays for. I doubt anyone would have thought to pick him last year, and I'm sure plenty would of have picked Dahntay Jones, who nobody even bothers to mention this year since he plays for Indiana now. I think the team a perimeter defender plays for affects their apparent defensive abilities. Like Shane Battier doesn't seem to be the perimeter defender he used to be because he doesn't have the luxury of having Yao/Mutombo to back him up (though I could be wrong, and age might be playing a factor as well). Same thing needs to be kept in mind when grading a guy like Afflalo's defense, since he's got Nene, Martin, and Birdman. Roy also has had Oden on and off, Przybilla on and off, and now Marcus Camby. Of course, that's not to say that they aren't top tier defenders just because of the big men on their team. I'm just saying it could be a factor and something to keep in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 22, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Battier is starting to suffer from old age. His defense was excellent in Memphis, and Gasol was as soft as ever back then. I would say that Brandon Roy is closer to a Scottie Pippen than anyone else in the NBA. I said this about Granger last year, but he's falling off the map...just too inconsistent defensively. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201001080POR.html He defended Bryant that game, and he was amazing. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200912200MIA.html This was the second game a few weeks after the Heat beat the Blazers, and Roy switched over to Wade for the entire game that time around. I actually remember this one because I saw the interview where he stated he just tried to contain Wade and force him into bad shots. Also, Wade was suffering from back spasms a practice before the game, but they didn't seem to bother him for the first two quarters, where he tried to attack the basket. I think you'll remember that game. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200911160ATL.html There was the game that Roy forced Johnson into taking over 30 shots. I remember one where JR Smith was forced into 23 shots, shot 39% while doing so...and I think that was the game Billups was injured. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200911010OKC.html That game above is where the Thunder fans were booing like crazy, because they kept thinking Roy was fouling Durant. At the end of the game, Kevin was 3-20 from the floor. Roy is an excellent defensive player. Everyone benefits from a big. We could all say Rondo definitely does, especially with Perkins sitting up front as well (with Garnett). As far as Dahntay Jones goes, I didn't see him as a top five defensive player. He's nowhere near Afflalo's level. Jones was a hacking machine, and he got away with so many hand-checks, elbow taps, jersey grabs and wrist-holding than anyone else in the NBA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) I do not believe Kobe is a top 5 NBA wing defender anymore. EDIT: At least on a night to night basis. Edited March 22, 2010 by travesy3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I think when a particular player is "forced" to shoot such a high number of shots, it's usually a product of team defense. The strategy was probably to take away Wade's [or insert best player here] options and force the best player to take more shots than usual, throwing everyone out of their rhythm. There's still a huge amount credit to Roy, though, to first of all be reliable enough to put single coverage on such great perimeter players, and then force them to shoot below 45%, 40% (etc) while keeping them from getting to the free throw line. You've got me convinced on Roy. He's definitely risen to a top 5 level. Could be a first or second team defender. I'm still going to leave Afflalo out as a close 6th or 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 22, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 You've got me convinced on Roy. He's definitely risen to a top 5 level. Could be a first or second team defender. I'm still going to leave Afflalo out as a close 6th or 7th.Well, I usually don't give credit to anyone doing a good job on Bryant, because most of the time, that "good job" is a product of team defense. I think Battier has done a good job, but he hasn't really shut him down at all. Ron Artest did once, but it was a fluke, and a lot of that was due to Houston's zone. But Roy has done a very good job defending Bryant, individually. So has Arron Afflalo, and Bruce Bowen (when he was playing). I'm more convinced with Roy, though, even though Afflalo has been doing similar things all season with other players. Defensive-minded players are impressive, but when you're a defensive-minded player that can also give the team 20+ points and run the offense, you're rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 1. Kirk Hinrich2. Aaron Afflalo3. Kobe Bryant4. Dwyane Wade5. Brandon Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 1. Kirk Hinrich2. Aaron Afflalo3. Kobe Bryant4. Dwyane Wade5. Brandon RoyIn no particular order right...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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