Multi-Billionaire Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 ^You missed this part (the newspaper, page 7). But Jordan made clear he wasn't coming back to fulfill any expectations but his own. "Winning isn't always championships. What's wrong with helping kids find their way, teaching them the game." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 13, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 ^You missed this part (the newspaper, page 7). Continue reading. You know why he came back. He wanted to play longer than two years, and would have, if it wasn't for the torn cartilage in his knee. It's obvious you know nothing about MJ. When he said he still wants to play (just last year, and at the HOF ceremony), do you think it's so he can teach kids how to play the game? Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 What he meant by "kids" is the Wizards players, I assume you know that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 13, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 What he meant by "kids" is the Wizards players, I assume you know that?And what he meant by "missing the game" is that he misses playing the game, and that the "competitive problem" means he wants to be out on the court, winning games himself, and that the challenge is showing that he can still do it. If all he was doing was trying to help the Wizards players, he would've wanted to be a coach, or he would've averaged much less PPG. He led the team in scoring, and he dominated teams with 40+ point performances at age 38, scored 50 also. How is that helping the kids? What a ballhog, right? Eleven 30's, four 40's, one 50 in 2001-02. Six 30's, three 40's the following season. You think he came back just to teach the young guys how to play? It's crystal clear why he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 And what he meant by "missing the game" is that he misses playing the game, and that the "competitive problem" means he wants to be out on the court, winning games himself, and that the challenge is showing that he can still do it. If all he was doing was trying to help the Wizards players, he would've wanted to be a coach, or he would've averaged much less PPG. He led the team in scoring, and he dominated teams with 40+ point performances at age 38, scored 50 also. How is that helping the kids? What a ballhog, right? Eleven 30's, four 40's, one 50 in 2001-02. Six 30's, three 40's the following season. You think he came back just to teach the young guys how to play? It's crystal clear why he did. You think scoring is the only way you play basketball. Or you value scoring the most. No wonder you say you have difficulty playing defense. No wonder you defend AI for being a ballhog. Noone on that team could score, their top rookie was a bust. He had to score for the team to be competitive. Scoring was his role, what he meant by teaching them is to find, understand, and fulfill their role for one team to win. How to deal with media, how to be good and motivating teammates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 13, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 You think scoring is the only way you play basketball. Or you value scoring the most. No wonder you say you have difficulty playing defense. No wonder you defend AI for being a ballhog. Noone on that team could score, their top rookie was a bust. He had to score for the team to be competitive. Scoring was his role, what he meant by teaching them is to find, understand, and fulfill their role for one team to win. How to deal with media, how to be good and motivating teammates.Actually, and I did this purposely, my trouble with defense lies in the post. I'm an excellent perimeter defender. Anyways... Nobody on those two teams could score, huh? Richard Hamilton averaged 20 with Jordan. Jerry Stackhouse averaged 29.8 PPG just two seasons before teaming with Jordan, and all of that was pre-injury (he had that severe injury after Jordan's retirement). What else is there to say? Everything you assume, it just gets shot down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 The fact that Rip averaged 20 with MJ, says that MJ still shared the ball. I did not mean to say scoring is for one person ONLY to fill. Scoring role on a team is usually shouldered by two or more players. It just so happened MJ led the team in scoring. The highest ppg Rip averaged in Detroit is also 20.1 ppg, it's not like MJ held him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 13, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 The fact that Rip averaged 20 with MJ, says that MJ still shared the ball. I did not mean to say scoring is for one person ONLY to fill. Scoring role on a team is usually shouldered by two or more players. It just so happened MJ led the team in scoring. The highest ppg Rip averaged in Detroit is also 20.1 ppg, it's not like MJ held him back.Awesome. Because that means that Kobe shared the ball with Shaq in 2000 and 2001, even though you say he had trouble doing such until that ankle injury. Can't have it both ways. It all falls back to Iverson signing with a non-contender, and that's why you're doing this. What if Iverson wants to help out Mayo? :o What if it's not just about winning championship, as Jordan said? :o It wouldn't matter, though, because obviously, Jordan isn't Iverson. Nobody is Iverson. And that's your argument. Good luck to Denver this season. For me, this debate is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 The person who labeled Kobe was selfish in 2000-01 season was not only me, the whole world could see. I think Phil Jackson suggested Kobe gave advice to J.R. Rider on his role on the team, then Kobe said something like it was not his responsibility, and then Phil said something like Kobe wouldn't help Rider because he wouldn't share his 28 shots a game. And I'm not talking about two seasons. I'm singling out the 2000-01 season when Kobe came to training camp noticeably stronger and he wanted his role to increase from 1999-2000 season. The old guys from championship #1, Horry, Fisher, Fox all were frustrated with him. A jump from 22ppg to 28ppg speaks for itself. Kobe was a rapidly improving offensive player, but it should have taken a more natural slower pace. He was forcing to push himself to a 28 ppg player, to his credit, he did it... but he was forcing it. I can't see why AI would help out Mayo, a player who he is no closer than he is close with LeBron, Kobe, Dwight, Melo, and KG. All the older players he could have been on the same team with if he had signed with one of their teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 13, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 The whole world thought Kobe was selfish for 5-6 seasons or longer...so if you're going to give me "the whole world" in your argument, you might as well dismiss your own assumptions. Fact was, Kobe was still running the dynasty's offense as a selfish player. Talk about a single season, but not about the other two? You would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Fine if you want to say Kobe was selfish, he was selfish because he was doing or asking to do more than his given role. But now, Kobe in 2009, I don't think you can label him as selfish. He's a fully mature pro who understands his role and he doesn't do less or more than what he's asked of in his role. AI is past his prime. The fact when the Pistons as a team and system told him his role is bench, he wanted to break out of it and do more than the role he was given. That's selfish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revis Island Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 http://www.slamdumb.com/images/comics/7_4_09.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 14, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 He forgot Iverson's tats and arm sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 AI is past his prime. The fact when the Pistons as a team and system told him his role is bench, he wanted to break out of it and do more than the role he was given. That's selfish.actually they told him he would be the team leader.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 What else did you think he should say? "I'll follow OJ Mayo"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 14, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 What else did you think he should say? "I'll follow OJ Mayo"? He's talking about Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 AI knew this was business, he knew he was an expiring contract and was professional about it. His agent just made up that story so his value as a player does not keep taking hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 15, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Ah, yeah, because it's always Iverson's fault, and you know more than anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 He forgot Iverson's tats and arm sleeve. And his ego... ... wait that's an intangible! That cannot be drawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 15, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 And his ego... ... wait that's an intangible! That cannot be drawn.Maybe you should've had Phil Jackson coaching your team, then, instead of the big failure known as George Karl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I wouldn't mind Phil Jackson really... wanna trade coaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravenewworld Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Cali:1. Monta Ellis2. Kobe Bryant3. Kevin Martin4. Pau Gasol5. Andrew Bynum Depth - Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, Nocioni, Spencer Hawes, Stephen Jackson, Andris Biedrins, Corey Maggette, Derick FisherCoach: Jackson Texas:1. Jason Kidd2. Tracy McGrady3. Richard Jefferson4. Dirk Nowitzki5. Tim Duncan Depth - Yao Ming, Manu Ginobili,Tony Parker , Josh Howard, Jason Terry ,Shawn Marion , Michael Finley, Antonio McDyessCoach: Popavic This is a real tough one here and if it was the Clippers over Goldenstate for the Cali team i think they would have the edge, but right now with the rosters i set up the Texas team is just so deep. Who wins the MVP? DirkWho has the hottest temper? Ron ArtestWho has the highest PPG? DirkWho has the higest RPG? DuncanWho has the highest APG? KiddWho commits the most turnovers? K-Mart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 The comparison comes down to more than stats when you look at Iverson and Billups. Billups simply gelled with Denver more than Iverson did and it was evident by them reaching the WCF. Stats will always favor Iverson we know that as its been the case his whole career. However, when you bring in a proven winner and leader like Billups I think a team like Denver responds better. Iverson in Detroit was a disaster and I hope he does well in Memphis but I'm not sure he'll even be as good as his last full season in Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 19, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 So "gelling" has nothing to do with the main teammates playing better statistically under Iverson? Just toss that out the window? Point is, statistically, I win the debate. That's a fact. Otherwise, it's all opinion...and in the end, who really wins that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 So "gelling" has nothing to do with the main teammates playing better statistically under Iverson? Just toss that out the window? Point is, statistically, I win the debate. That's a fact. Otherwise, it's all opinion...and in the end, who really wins that? Apparently gelling with Billups led to more wins and a trip to the WCF. Does that not mean something? Yeah congrats you win based on stats but at the end of the day what matters is who the team went further with and it was obviously Billups. Congrats on winning a stats debate I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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