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I don't see this happening...just no reason to, as Sean said. Plus, he's not disrupting the team on offense. He's not playing defense, but how many people do on the Sixers?

Do you see why I'm still having trouble grasping any of that? In no way, shape or form should Anderson Varejao or Luol Deng be ranked anywhere NEAR Bryant in overall anything. Offense, defense, overall game, doesn't matter. Reading "Player Overall Statistics" and then seeing the likes of Deng, Birdman, Felton, Nene, Haywood, and Varejao all listed over Bryant? Three of them barely play any defense, and the others barely produce on offense. Overall what? Just the worst stat I've ever ran across when judging individual play. When +/- statistics can be altered by teammates, that automatically rules out any type of ranking, individual-wise. I might as well say that the best players in the NBA are, in order: Kobe, Pierce, LeBron, Howard, Dirk, Joe Johnson, and Duncan, all based solely on team record. Agree to disagree, I guess.

I meant just the display name, not the account. I'd rather not go back to the old account and have others quoting your older posts and starting trouble. I think "ClutchCityOwns" is actually available, though. The account that was banned was something different, as you stated.

Okay, but adjusting means people like myself have to go through and find every single lineup, of every single game, and find how much those players produced in every lineup. That means I need to figure out how many of Sasha's points were put out when Kobe was in, and when he was out...and how many Vujacic gave up with Bryant in, Bryant out. And then do that for every other player in those fives with Bryant. But, instead, you guys are telling me that Anderson Varejao deserves sixth man consideration because of his +/- stats...but have you adjusted them in that manner? Have you actually given me true +/- stats JUST for Anderson Varejao and his opposition? The better way to do that? Just looking at individual stats, including eFG% allowed, PPG, FG%, etc. That gives you more of an individual statistic, not the +/- stat. Or, again, Ron Artest is an MVP candidate.

LOL, had to edit the URL. It was putting "[expletive]" inside of the actual URL...so don't hit the edit button on that first post, bro.

Bolt would light him up. I'd have them race on the track, then on a field with full gear on and a football in hand. That would be sick.

MANNN, I'm not used to the new name yet, lol. I was thinking this was about the real guy. Happy SUPER-LATE birthday, dude.

Are you wanting your old name back?

Sorry I didn't get back to you at TLN. I just saw your message to me over there. As for being here once again, that's fine. The staff won't be so easy to avoid this time around, though. And as for the rest of the members here, it's going to be your job not to start trouble, or you'll be in the same boat. Today, he's a member, just like the rest of you. Don't cause problems. Welcome back.

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Boozer or Kirilenko. I wonder if Chicago is pushing for a trade here, still trying to get Boozer.

I'll get to them in a few.

Yeah, but Bynum will. That's just it. Drew only plays when Gasol isn't on the floor, just like he did versus Dallas. If we ever got the two bigs on the same page, we'd be unstoppable.

This is exactly what I'm saying. Their +/- stats are heavily based on the other four teammates they play with on the floor. What happens if Gasol and Artest both stay injured, and they play about, oh, 30 games with this lineup... C - Bynum PF - Odom SF - Bryant SG - Brown PG - Fisher Basically, +/- stats tell how good the five-man units do (those that Kobe has to play in), not necessarily how good a player is. So when we ask who the best sixth man in the league is, why not just use those +/- stats for the MVP as well? Well, because if we did, Ron Artest would be an MVP candidate...and we know how ridiculous that is. I don't judge players on their +/- stats for that very reason. If Bryant has to play 25 minutes with the likes of Adam Morrison, Sasha Vujacic, Josh Powell and DJ Mbenga, I'm not going to have high hopes for "his" +/- statistic because, obviously, that five-man untit will score little and give up a lot. It's really that simple of a stat...a little too simple. Every point Morrison and Vujacic would give up, it changes Kobe's +/- statistic. How is that Bryant's fault?

Yeah. There are a lot of times where Gasol or Kobe will play with Vujacic, Farmar, Mbenga and Powell/Walton in the five, and that unit will struggle, thus hurting Kobe and Gasol's +/- stats, despite what they do in that span of 3-4 minutes where Phil Jackson declines to call a timeout, and lets Vujacic launch three bricks.

I guess I can give better examples. Fisher on the court, the Lakers are a +12.5. Fisher off? They are a +1.4. Gasol on? +14.8. Off it? They are +1.6. It's pretty difficult for me to believe that Gasol and Fisher have nearly the same impact on and off the floor, especially when everyone knows Fisher is a pathetic defensive player and a terrible offensive player, shooting 37% from the floor with just seven points a game. By the way, LeBron James was a -2 tonight against the Bobcats, despite drilling them for 29/7/6 on 62% shooting, just one turnover...while Anthony Parker's 40% shooting, 5/2/2 and PATHETIC defense on Stephen Jackson still gave him a +2 in the +/- column. Worst stat you could ever use.

Not a bad offensive performance by Iverson, but Lawson sure lit him up. Can't be surprised, though. And the win isn't a surprise, either. Denver played well without both Melo and Billups in last night's game, but the Jazz just had an ugly, ugly night.

Even though our run defense SUCKS, JaMarcus Russell is, by far, the worst QB in the NFL. The fans booed the hell out of him, too...and I loved every second of it. That first pick was one of those "WTFUDOIN picks" along with a fumble where he just dangles the ball out to be hit by anyone in a Ravens helmet. I pray that the Raiders get a QB in the draft. I don't care who as long as he's had SOME college success and he's more accurate than he is a cannon arm.

Are you guys really going to make another mess again? http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/topic/4410-Dallas-@-NY-Giants Tell me where I jumped someone's ass in that topic, when the Cowboys fans were being baited. http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/topic/4362-Dallas-@-Green-Bay/page__view__findpost__p__66227 Did I give him a warning for that one? I'd keep going, but I don't need to waste my time with this anymore. I'm not changing the rules when the Eagles lose a game. You guys wanted me to ease up and not be so harsh about the baiting, so I did...see above. Now that the Eagles get cremated and ONE member says ONE thing, it's suddenly a bad thing, and the staff is biased? Despite a moderator (Smitty) being an Eagles fan? I believe we, as a community, are done talking about stuff like this.

Well, you gave me Billups over Kidd, but Chauncey is barely faster than he is. And...hate to say it, but stats say otherwise for both cases, Kidd (46% eFG% allowed) and Ariza (40%), compared to Billups at 49% and Rondo at 48% or so, and I'm pretty sure I don't need to list anyone trying to rival Ariza's defense.

Maybe Eli needs to start throwing toilet paper rolls to his receivers, and the players should sleep with their cleats on, so they can be better prepared for their games? Or bring in some pros to teach them how to play? Just some crazy ideas that I came up with.

Deron played, and did well...but HOW can the Jazz lose to a Nuggets team, without their two best players, in Utah? Looks like they turned the ball over way too many times...Boozer with five, Ronnie Price with four in about 20 minutes of play, 26 turnovers combined for the entire team. Pathetic.