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I don't know what's going through his head. He had no ball protection when he was preparing to drive on Tyreke before the turnover, and to no one's surprise, he lost it. I saw Caron's face and he definitely looked pissed. Not sure how to explain his blatant lack of clutch ability now, but it's becoming very stressful and I'm tired of Saunders continuing to put faith in him in the 4th. He simply isn't ready and we shouldn't keep making him our first option in the final seconds.

I know man, I may change my username now. That turnover was disgraceful.

I missed my final essay submission deadline for English 101 by 3 minutes and now the best grade I can possibly get is a 75... so I'm [expletive]ed for that class. This just ruined my day.

[expletive] no.

You were quoting Eastcoast right? Because I agreed with most of what you said haha. Gilbert was hyped up to be "in better shape than ever" and ready to contribute immediately. He has been the reverse of both expectations.

I didn't mean to come off edgy haha. I just thought it was random to bump a topic that was resolved. All good though. :glasses:

Your logic is flawed because we have 3 separate players to blame for our lack of accomplishment. You can't blame Lebron or MJ because they are single players on their team. You place blame on a group of players or the whole team, not just one. I am blaming the productivity of our big 3. When did I say Gil was saying something personal? I never said that, I said he needs to change the way he plays if we are going to hang on to him AND win games. You're asking why we would trade Butler? Our big 3 isn't producing the way we planned and just don't accomplish what we expected them to. I'm not blaming Butler, but he is the easiest to trade away in the big 3, and we need a team makeover and you can't deny that. With what we have now, and who we have leading the team, we aren't going to get anywhere. You talk about "giving them a chance", but isn't it clear that this probably won't turn around drastically? Do you really think we can look like a championship contending team at some point in this season? I doubt it. They can't stay healthy. We can keep gambling and hope that all 3 stay healthy (which at this point will take a while because Gilbert will NOT revert back to his old form during this season), or we can try to revamp our squad and look to rebuild and improve. I'll agree, a 50 win team and an elite team are different. But some cases they can be the same thing. Andray Blatche is not that consistent I'd hate to tell you. Boykins is great off the bench, Nick Young is doing what he is supposed to, Foye's minutes have reduced so you can't blame him for his drop in statistics, McGuire plays consistent defense and isn't in for scoring so I'd say he's farily consistent, Oberto SUCKS, and McGee never gets a chance to play which I feel needs to change. So basically, we need an improved core for our players to look up to. Good play rubs off, and right now our underachieving core isn't exactly doing wonders for its surrounding players.

Thought so, it would take more than just Randolph to snag Butler. Still, Randolph would be a nice addition to the Wizards if we could get more than just him.

Your logic is flawed. The big 3 have had their chance. You can't compare 3 players to Lebron or Jordan, who have all the weight on their individual shoulders to carry their team to a win. And obviously Gilbert isn't 100% regarding his injury, but will he ever be? He is not as explosive as he used to be, and it is going to take him a while to readjust to the NBA tempo. I am not hating on Gil, because he is clearly one of my favorite players (my username says it all...), but he is not the player a team looking for a championship needs. Sure he can shoot the lights out and drop over 30 points on any given night if he wanted to, but he is inefficient and a team looking to become a championship caliber roster as soon as possible doesn't necessarily need him to do that. Never in any of my posts did I say "trade him immediately", but we should definitely be looking to at least lock in a potential trade before the deadline just in case, and that trade should definitely involve Butler. The big 3 aren't living up to their potential, and that is what they are to blame for. It isn't ALL their fault that we are losing games, but a good chunk of it goes to them. And were you trying to say that if you put our big 3 in place of the Celtics' big 3 on their roster, they would be an elite team? I might have to disagree with that. I like our bench and our role players (except Deshawn and Oberto, they must go), so they are not solely to blame for our losses. Our core isn't doing what they should, and if things don't change as we approach the trade deadline, we need to make a drastic move. Where did you read that?

How have they not been given a fair chance? Even at the peak of their health and talent together, we were still BARELY over a .500 team. Why shouldn't we go into rebuilding mode? We need to... our team isn't working out the way it is. Our core isn't getting the job done. I don't see us being an Eastern Conference contender with our current core. Gilbert clearly won't be the same, sad to say, Antawn is aging, and Caron is definitely expendable. Exactly. People say that with our core being healthy we can be a 50 win team. Maybe with the old Gilbert that would be possible, but with what we have now, there is little to no chance of that happening. I wouldn't mind Gilbert being traded, but what team would be willing to take on his contract? I think we should hang on to Jamison if we could get him some more playing time at the 3 rather than the 4. Caron may be one of the best defensive players on our roster, but that isn't saying much. As you said, Haywood is truly the only contributing defender on our team. He is an ok defender, but nothing special that we can't afford to lose. Stevenson must go, no questions asked. Taking up valuable minutes that could be used by other players on the roster is his only current role. Gilbert will doubtfully be traded, just because of his contract and his so called "value" to the team. Don't get me wrong I still like Gilbert, but his playing style isn't what we need to be a winner. Butler for an expiring would be good and then we could go for a decent player in free agency. Draft picks aren't a huge deal for this upcoming draft class since this isn't exactly one of the strongest classes aside John Wall. Derrick Favors is just another power forward who needs to build up some strength and just doesn't seem NBA ready.

We'll take him.

Our "big 3" hasn't been impacting for years. We need a big makeover, and it should start with our core.

I can't believe there is a news article on that lol... I saw it live, it was no big deal. Just Lebron goofing around with the fans.

Yeah it would be sad to see Butler go after all he has done for us, but I really think we should be targeting another small forward, but someone more true to their position. Caron Butler is really a shooting guard and plays much better in that position. We need someone who is a TRUE small forward, someone who can slash but also knock down the 3 ball consistently. Butler just doesn't fit into our system and that was shown most clearly last night, it was just a sloppy offense when he was in. I wouldn't mind that if the Raptors threw someone else in to the mix. Butler and Stevenson for Hedo and Rasho works, but I doubt the Raptors would like that trade since they don't need another shooting guard, especially one like Stevenson.

And that trade must include one of the big 3, and here is how I see it. Gilbert isn't going anywhere because no one wants to take on his contract, or his inefficient play for that matter. Antawn is declining and still has a large contract, so he is not an attractive trade piece. Caron Butler is the only logical player to trade. His contract isn't mammoth sized, nor is he necessarily overpaid. He will contribute each night and has shown to be a leader, but I don't think he is working well in our system. The only question is, what do we trade him for? What could we get for someone like Caron Butler (and possibly a filler or two)? What is our biggest team need that could be satisfied by trading away one of our best players?

"Video removed due to terms of violation." Well that's some bull[expletive] right there.

Ugh I need a new team...

This is the single sloppiest playing I've ever seen from the Wizards... EVER.

I don't even think it was that long haha.

Lol that was fast...

Ellis will not have a career anywhere close to Iverson's, hate to say it. He may have a better end to his career, however.

Well that's for every year. We could only be exempt senior year, and we needed an A, as in a 94% or higher.

Why did you bump this topic just to say that...?

That is bull[expletive], when I was in high school you had to have an A in a class for senior year only in order to be exempt. No matter what your letter grade was for any class between freshman-junior year, you had to take the final. I was only exempt from 2 of my 7 classes senior year... This just adds to the fact that our school was strict as [expletive], it's ridiculous.

Lol Harden most likely won't be the starting point guard... shooting guard yes.