Diesel Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I figured I'd start the first thread in this subforum as the most controversial question in basketball today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted June 28, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Whoa, you can make polls public AND you can allow for members to delete their votes and re-vote. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make It Naaaashty Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 My vote for right now has to go to the Mamba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHutch Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Whoa, you can make polls public AND you can allow for members to delete their votes and re-vote. Crazy.Haha man that is crazy, but sweet. LBJ FTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe becuz' of rings and hunger. People use the rings thing vs. Kobe and MJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe. You cant argue against his hunger and killer instinct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hawk Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deestillballin Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I have to go with Kobe here. Kobe has the rings, the instinct and that shot that makes all people get pissed when he hits it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWhiTex34 Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe > LeBron ( I dont like either of them, but I know Kobe is a better basketball player than LeBron. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 LeBron, you cant use rings when one player is 7 years older and had a prime Shaq on his team.  LeBron is better at everything than Kobe except shooting and defending. And he will be up there with Kobe on those 2 with some discipline and practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Shaq Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 What's with you guys saying Kobe has more hunger than LeBron? Can you guys prove this to me? And as for the rings arguement, that is bull[expletive]. Even if they were at the same age, one player can't win a ring. You can't use rings for "who is the better individual player?" You can use rings if you want to argue who the better team is. So let's leave the rings out of this. I think LeBron had the better individual year, but I think Kobe right now is the better overall player. LeBron will catch him soon, but not quite yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall2Wall Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe because he's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I don't want to get suspended again for bringing up Kobe's stats during clutch time, so I'll leave it out this time. I'll go with LeBron. He's getting better and better with each year that's gone by and that's a pretty scary thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe, he is just better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nissan Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Who won the championship this year? Who beat the team that eliminated LeBron's team in the playoffs? Kobe is the most complete player in the NBA.  Team USA won gold last summer because of Kobe. LeBron and Wade started playing defense because of Kobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Shaq Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Who won the championship this year? Who beat the team that eliminated LeBron's team in the playoffs? The Lakers did... What does this have to do with anything? Team USA won gold last summer because of Kobe. LeBron and Wade started playing defense because of Kobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Who won the championship this year? Who beat the team that eliminated LeBron's team in the playoffs? Kobe is the most complete player in the NBA.  Team USA won gold last summer because of Kobe. LeBron and Wade started playing defense because of Kobe. All these point are irrelevant.  If LeBron had Kobe's teammates and coach he could have won it with no problem. who beat the team that eliminated lebron's team? lolz. USA would have won gold without Kobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe because he is better, no more needs to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nissan Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 All these point are irrelevant.  If LeBron had Kobe's teammates and coach he could have won it with no problem. who beat the team that eliminated lebron's team? lolz. USA would have won gold without Kobe.LMAO! Go watch the Final game vs. Spain again. Who took over in the final minutes? Excuses like always... LeBron makes his teammates better.  Did LeBron win gold without Kobe? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe. More fundamentally sound, a proven winner, killer instinct, better defense, better jumpshot...Lebron is an incredible talent, but he hasn't taken the crown from Kobe just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDevil Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 kobe because he can literally hit any shot on the court.Until LeBron can do that, kobe will remain better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 LMAO! Go watch the Final game vs. Spain again. Who took over in the final minutes? Excuses like always... LeBron makes his teammates better.  Did LeBron win gold without Kobe? lol I watched the finals vs Spain, the lead was like 8 at the lowest and kobe just hit a few shots and the game was pretty much over, if Kobe wasnt taking those shots, it would have been someone else hitting them.  Excuses? Where did I use an excuse? Get your nose out of Real Deal's [expletive] for once and actually read what I say.  "Did LeBron win gold without Kobe". Lol neither of them won gold without eachother, stfu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted June 28, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Kobe is the only player in the league required to make his teammates better. When they perform poorly, fingers point to him. When LeBron's teammates don't shoot the ball well, it's because they were never good in the first place. People seem to forget what happened 2-3 years ago, and all the things that were said about how Michael Jordan was making Paxson, Armstrong and Kerr better players, and how Kobe wasn't getting it done because he didn't do just that. Despite LeBron having better numbers in the clutch, you give the ball to Kobe before you do LeBron if you want to win the game. Kobe demands more defensive attention further from the rim, so his shooting percentage will be lower in the clutch. Someone posted some clutch stats of Reggie Miller before, not sure where they got them or where that post was, but because Reggie demanded all the attention on the floor, his shooting percentages in the clutch were actually a bit lower than other players' stats, but we know who would get the ball at the end of a game. Kobe has no glaring weakness in his game. You give me one. LeBron has no post game. His jumper is still suspect, especially when contested by longer defenders. His footwork is nowhere near Bryant's.  You take the player that has no weaknesses in his game. It's Kobe. For a 6-6 205-pound guard that plays far away from the rim and dominates the ball, his rebounding and assist numbers are pretty solid. Give me a weakness in Kobe's game, and I'll give you a weakness in LeBron's. We'll go with that until one of us has no answers. I can assure you that I won't be the first to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcstarheel Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Whoa, you can make polls public AND you can allow for members to delete their votes and re-vote. Crazy.You can also make it to reveal who voted for what <_<  Let's look at these stats: Season G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 2003-04 79 79 39.5 7.9 18.9 0.417 0.8 2.7 0.29 4.4 5.8 0.754 1.3 4.2 5.5 5.9 1.6 0.7 3.5 1.9 20.9 2004-05 80 80 42.4 9.9 21.1 0.472 1.4 3.9 0.351 6 8 0.75 1.4 6 7.4 7.2 2.2 0.7 3.3 1.8 27.2 2005-06 79 79 42.5 11.1 23.1 0.48 1.6 4.8 0.335 7.6 10.3 0.738 0.9 6.1 7 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.3 2.3 31.4 2006-07 78 78 40.9 9.9 20.8 0.476 1.3 4 0.319 6.3 9 0.698 1.1 5.7 6.7 6 1.6 0.7 3.2 2.2 27.3 2007-08 75 74 40.4 10.6 21.9 0.484 1.5 4.8 0.315 7.3 10.3 0.712 1.8 6.1 7.9 7.2 1.8 1.1 3.4 2.2 30 2008-09 81 81 37.7 9.7 19.9 0.489 1.6 4.7 0.344 7.3 9.4 0.78 1.3 6.3 7.6 7.2 1.7 1.1 3 1.7 28.4 Career 472 471 40.6 9.8 20.9 0.471 1.4 4.1 0.328 6.5 8.8 0.738 1.3 5.7 7 6.7 1.8 0.9 3.3 2 27.5  When you look at the past two years, what has LeBron actually gotten immensely better at? Dropped two less points a game with the same rebound, assist, steal, and block numbers. Even though his defense steadily improved, right? I didn't see any man-on-man, defensive footwork improvements. I saw highlighted recovery blocks (which were great, but not more than what he was already doing). I saw an uptick in defensive intensity, but that alone does not mean that leaps and bounds have or will be taken. LeBron is a great player, but Kobe is still that dood. Two straight playoffs averaging 30, 5, and 5. These past two years are for the annals...Olympic qualifying, winning MVP and taking team to the Finals, winning the Gold Medal, then winning Finals MVP. All with a finger that needs surgery. All supposedly out of his prime. I can't wait to see him come back this coming season after having a break during the summer. Should be pretty scary for the league. LeBron AND Dwyane will constantly be fighting for that top position in a 3-4 years. Kobe will still be at the top until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I'll take LeBron. He's not as complete as Kobe, but he's the very best at producing wins and optimizing his team's chances. The scoreboard is more important than aesthetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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