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You're the one that was wanting to discuss creativity, which led to what I said, mocking you about it. Actually, Blake's windmill was a little different, and better (more defined). You can look at the video if you want, or not. Free throw line dunks are done all of the time, not just in the NBA. He should've gotten a higher score on it, definitely, but not a 50. If he doesn't get a 50, he doesn't advance. But, okay.

HE GOT A 49 ON HIS SECOND DUNK. Did you want him to get a 70? And his first dunk has been done before. You didn't like Griffin's second dunk? DeMar got a 50 by doing the same exact dunk last year. Did you not want to watch that vid? Don't worry, I know why you're doing this. Or Samuel Dalembert, who is a point guard... If Ibaka was a 6-10, 285-pound Andrew Bynum clone, he wouldn't be able to do the dunk. Instead, he's 6-10 and rail thin at 235 pounds. Kobe weighed in at 235 pounds a couple of times in his career, post-Shaq days. It's not much weight at all for a 6-10 PF. You ignored what I said about Nate, because if you answered it, you'd be wrong about what you said. You might as well just ignore the rest, also. It's logic. The length of a player is an advantage when grabbing rebounds and defending players, and even contesting shots. It's an advantage in a dunk if you don't weight the same as Shaq or Yao. How is that so difficult to understand? What player dunked on a 12-foot rim in the dunk contest? Dwight Howard, who is a center. Do I really need to keep going with this? My job here is done. You can [expletive] about it to someone else.

Do I need to quote my post for you? Here, re-read it. Not creative. Many have done it. IF we're just talking about creativity, Ibaka's dunk was weak. And, again, longer wingspans, with less weight, will make it an easier dunk. Want proof? Nate Robinson has a higher vertical than Serge Ibaka. Can Nate dunk from the free throw line? By the way, Samuel Dalembert has done it. Can't find it on YouTube, but it used to be on there. The only thing I found was a dunk one step inside, and he gets this EASILY, with a foul. He wasn't in the NBA when he did it, though...but he was the same frame and an inch taller than Ibaka when he did it. Also...Serge is 235 pounds. It's not a lot of weight to take off with. LeBron is a good 260 (25 pounds heavier), and he nearly got it. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-LeBron-James-dunks-from-free-throw-line-?urn=nba-121604 Don't overrate the dunk.

Oh, this is going to be awesome. Want to see DeRozan's dunk from last year? Go to 3:05 and look at DeMar's dunk from last year. It's a 50, and it's the same exact dunk Griffin did...and Griffin's was a nicer windmill. He gets all 10's from the judges? Why didn't Blake get that? :laughing: And Jordan was behind the line, Pippen was a half an inch behind it. I have the Jordan dunk on my Ultimate Jordan DVD's. Same exact spot that Serge jumped from. Sorry. LOL, and he got two of the three highest scores in the contest for those dunks...BOTH in the first round. Get it through your skull dude, I shouldn't have to repeat myself over and over again. He lost, his fault, get over it and move on.

And he got a 50 for it. He should've done it in the second round. He got a 49 for his second dunk, even though Kobe has done a version of it in-game (without the bounce, of course). Had he dropped it in backwards, without turning to the rim, he would've deserved the 49 (similar to the dunk that J-Rich performed, but he actually went under the legs and did a one-handed reverse, a dunk that blows DeMar's out of the water). If it's all about creativity, Ibaka's FT line dunk was pretty weak. The one dunk that had the most value to it (in terms of it needing to be HUGE to secure the win)...it was McGee's worst dunk, and the worst dunk of the contest.

It's too bad you aren't understanding what it means to do a real 360, and starting it after your jump...but okay. So 8 out of every 10 guys in the league can do it? LOL, please. If it's so easy, why is he the first to do it in an NBA dunk contest? You'd think others would do it. Jumping over a car is difficult. It's NOT like jumping over a person, because you have to make sure your toes clear. You line up a person and jump over him with your legs spread out. You can't do that with a car. And the height of the car isn't even the bigger factor. When you combine it with the width AND the catch (which was low), it's a very good dunk. This isn't NBA Live's dunk contest, and nobody in their right mind will attempt to clear a car from the roof, unless they are on the Flight Team and practice dunks every day of their lives. People can be pissed off all they want. Griffin won, and he deserved it because McGee screwed up his 4th dunk, badly. DeRozan's first dunk wasn't that special. Ibaka did something that has been done over and over again, and I believe even Pippen jumped with his toe behind the line (not just Jordan). EDIT: Pippen was barely inside of it. Hard to tell, but Jordan gets it here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REt6HbdCT6c There are other vids from the 85 dunk contest that show it better (one that was from a Jordan DVD), but I can't find it right now. And no, I'm not a Blake stan. I actually like him, one of my favorite players right now...but his dunk contest doesn't touch Vince's, and I absolutely can't stand Carter. I thought Kobe's wasn't that great. I don't mind telling someone how it is, no matter what player we're talking about...but tonight, it was obvious that McGee screwed up. Tell me that McGee gets into the final round and does the Jordan mock and the double-dunk to try and beat Blake? I probably give it to him as long as he didn't take forever with that double-dunk. Also, when Dwight did the mini-hoop dunk, they never stopped the clock to "reload" it. The clock should've never been stopped for Ibaka, and McGee's three-ball dunk shouldn't have counted because he used the rim for assistance, if we're going to judge them this seriously.

They should've gotten the same score on it, and DeRozan should've gotten a 48 for his second dunk (that wasn't a 50). I can run through Jordan's two dunk contests and give you a handful of dunks that were better than DeMar's second dunk, and I can also show you a few that were better from J-Rich and Desmond Mason. Technically, DeRozan should've been in the finals, because McGee's three-ball dunk should've been a "no-dunk" due to hanging on the rim (they mentioned the rules on that a few years back)...sort of like if Blake had decided to jump off the car, they wouldn't have let him because it's assistance. However, that's just how it is. I think the other three are lucky that Griffin didn't make his first two dunks on the first try, because both would've went down in history as top 5-6 dunks in the contest, especially the first one.

Other problem with the three-ball dunk was that he held the rim. Since they were showing replays, that would've killed him. EDIT: In fact, that would've been a DQ.

No, he didn't. And, being taller helps because of his wingspan and extension. That's obvious. He doesn't weight 280 pounds. Someone wasn't paying attention. ...Joel Anthony can't even hold on to the ball.

By the way, word was that Ibaka's free throw dunk was the one McGee wanted to do. He has attempted it twice during the season, and I read the other day that he was planning on using it in the contest, and doing it in practice.

The three-ball dunk wouldn't have been the one to go out on, either. He should've kept the Jordan dunk (third one) and added the double dunk to end the contest. Those two in the final round would've been pretty sick. He decided he wasn't even going to attempt the Vince reverse 360 windmill again. That was another mistake.

Uh, first of all, Jordan jumped from the line the first time he performed it. Everyone was wrong. I believe it was 1985 (Dominique won). He put down a piece of tape before he jumped, and his toe was behind it. Let's go ahead and make that clear. Dunks are judged on originality. He has done a dunk that Erving, Jordan, Brent Barry and even Pippen (and others, in other dunk contests) have done in a dunk contest before, and Jordan did it three times (two for the win). James White dunked from the free throw line...while putting the ball under his leg. Blake's first dunk wasn't an ordinary 360. Watch the replay. He took off, one-footed, and did a Statue of Liberty dunk...but with two hands. It was a full, complete 360 off of one foot, which is very tough to do. Most 360 dunks don't start with the player facing the basket, jumping off one foot, and THEN spinning in-air. And not very many are willing to jump over a car, because if your foot catches part of the hood, you're done. You break your arm or shoulder. Considering the fact that the pass was even low, it was a great dunk. He could've jumped over the roof, if he really wanted to. http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/180684_10150093679410924_194822060923_6458049_3749401_n.jpg DeRozan had one good dunk. Nothing special about the first one. Ibaka's second dunk was unique. I would've given him a 47 from the free throw line, and a 47 for the stuffed animal, leaving him tied with DeRozan at the end of the first round. McGee's three-basketball dunk wasn't that impressive. Wall basically shot the ball in. The first one was AMAZING (double dunk), given the fact that he bounced the ball off the first backboard before dunking either of them. That catch and finish from his right hand was insane. ------------ Overall, McGee would've had a much better chance if he kept the double-dunk for the final round...but it's a mistake a lot of players have made over the years, and they pay for it. McGee's double-dunk may have been the best in the contest, but he screwed up with that final dunk...nothing impressive about it, and it ended the contest. The Jordan dunk was crazy, but you can't go out with what he did.

After he forces Jerry Sloan out (don't care what anyone thinks, he did), he comes out of nowhere and states he wants to play for New York, even though he has a season and a half left on his contract? What the hell is wrong with him? This might be worse than LeBron and Melo.

Texas: Dirk Nowitzki, Becky Hammon and Kenny Smith LA: Pau Gasol, Tina Thompson and Rick Fox Atlanta: Al Horford, Coco Miller and Steve Smith Chicago: Taj Gibson, Cathrine Kraayveld and Steve Kerr

Kobe and Melo sure are being buddy-buddy during the Jam Session today. One of my friends just hit me up with a text saying that Melo has been following Kobe around 80% of the time, and they keep talking to each other. Melo is in LA right now. Why not set that meeting up with Mitch? :o

I see your other boy Stinson found his way into the D-League ASG.

...the entire site is satire.

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Good trade. Just get it done. 1) Melo wants the extension. The Knicks aren't going to be able to wait and pick him up during the FA period. He wants to sign now, because if he doesn't, he risks losing a LOT of money after the CBA expires (which is before the FA period). 2) Losing Felton hurts the most, actually, because Billups isn't going to be a part of the Knicks' future. However, keeping Amare and Landry, and adding Melo? That's something to build around. 3) You have to start somewhere. The current Knicks team is wearing out, which is why they have been picking up all of these losses after their nice win streak they put together. They need another scorer...can't play through Amare every play of every game.

Dunkfest. It was a fun game. I would rather see all of the dunking in this one, and not the ASG (I want competitiveness in it).

There are examples of the zone defense not being called as illegal back in the 80s and early 90s, but the key was forcing that double, and having to leave a man open. Refs did call it all the time. The way Kobe throws his passes, he would find someone like Fisher open every play down the court, which means teams would have to give up that three (which is a big problem) or play Bryant with an individual defender (which is a big problem). It's obvious why this would be fantastic for him. The physical defense doesn't bother Bryant. He plays it himself, when someone tries to take him into the post. It's the zone (or some modified version of it, like Houston was trying to run with Artest and Battier) that makes basketball twice as difficult for him.

...I'm not sure who all is trolling, or being serious. Kobe, LeBron, Wade - perennial superstar, can give you big numbers every night and still drop big games, has the killer instinct and is a leader Melo and Durant - same as the guys above, but less defense and playmaking...could be better scorers than those above, though Rose and CP3 - can score and are efficient, CP3 is an excellent defender and Rose has improved, CP3 is an exceptional playmaker and Rose is getting there Howard - Orlando becomes a bottom three team in total defense without him, and he's still a 20-25 PPG scorer with high efficiency, and commands doubles

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LMAO. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Yes-Michelle-Peralta-We-Worship-Jimmer-Fredette/134751586591373

Guys, that's not Taker's chest. He's not that thick. Maybe 20 years ago, but not now. http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Undertaker.jpg http://i53.tinypic.com/2rrs2ko.jpg It's Michaels or Trips. If it's HBK, he could be a special referee...or, who knows, he could be wrestling Taker. There's a reason they only showed half of the face.