House Democratic official: 'We've got the votes' on health care

[Real Deal]

McCain supporters wanted change as well, but now they don't want to change anything.

[JYD]

McCain supporters wanted change as well, but now they don't want to change anything.

Lol, they really wanted to send some Mavericks to Washington!

[fly3rs18]

LOL, that's bull[expletive]. The government doesn't do that with your insulin through Medicaid or Medicare. Instead, they require that you tell them how much insulin you take per day, and that gives you restrictions so you don't go and get 30 bottles of it for $90, sell each bottle for $90 with no prescriptions, and make money. It'll be the same with this.

 

first off, i dont know too much about the topic. and sorry if you mentioned this in the pages before (didnt feel like going through 4 pages)

 

but how would this plan affect diabetes and insulin? is it not like what "need4sheed" said? or will it not be a problem with the new health plan

 

just curious cause my dads parents and my dad have diabetes, so there is a chance i will eventually too

[EastCoastNiner]

Instead of purchasing internet, cable, and bags of chips, many of these people should buy health insurance.

 

 

It makes no sense why we have to pay for anyone's health-care.

 

 

Socialism has arrived, and soon to be communism.

[Real Deal]

first off, i dont know too much about the topic. and sorry if you mentioned this in the pages before (didnt feel like going through 4 pages)

 

but how would this plan affect diabetes and insulin? is it not like what "need4sheed" said? or will it not be a problem with the new health plan

 

just curious cause my dads parents and my dad have diabetes, so there is a chance i will eventually too

The government will never, EVER limit a diabetic in that way. They can't tell you how much insulin you are allowed to take. There's absolutely nothing to worry about.

 

The only limit they can give any diabetic is how many bottles of insulin they can buy, based on how much they take daily. For example, the Lantus insulin is taken once or twice per day, and it's always the same amount (I take 20 units of it a day). The pharmacy is required to ask me how much I take per day. There are 1,000 units in a bottle. Because of that, I'm allowed to buy a new bottle of Lantus every month (because I believe shelf life is also 30 days).

 

If a diabetic was using almost 2,000 units a month, they would be allowed two bottles...simple as that.

 

There will never be a restriction on how much insulin you can take per day. This bill doesn't do it, and no Medicaid/Medicare state program does it. Insulin usage is based on how each individual reacts to it, their blood sugars, diet, and overall body of work. Limiting diabetics in that manner would kill many people within months, if not weeks.

 

Not a chance.

[Real Deal]

Instead of purchasing internet, cable, and bags of chips, many of these people should buy health insurance.

 

 

It makes no sense why we have to pay for anyone's health-care.

 

 

Socialism has arrived, and soon to be communism.

Oh most definitely, because paying taxes for better streets in your city is more important than helping out others who you may interact with at work, some family members, friends, some fine girl you could pick up a disease from, or anything in between.

 

And even then, why would anyone want to have free medical care? Hell, it's always better to choose that second best option, and not only that, but pay a massive chunk for it as well. Who cares if it all adds up for you in the end? You're the healthiest person on the face of the Earth until something happens to you.

[Lkr]

the lady that has twins and her husband runs sure is a bad person. the republicans won't let her get an abortion, and she struggles to put any food on the table. then she can't get any health insurance either. people like ECN, slaven, n4s, and flash should be feel very happy and lucky they have never had to experience something like this before. my mom could have died thanks to the bull[expletive] the health care systems pull behind the scenes.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Instead of purchasing internet, cable, and bags of chips, many of these people should buy health insurance.

 

 

It makes no sense why we have to pay for anyone's health-care.

 

 

Socialism has arrived, and soon to be communism.

 

Whats so bad about communism other than your republican history teacher telling you a doctor earns as much as a trashman.

[fly3rs18]

The government will never, EVER limit a diabetic in that way. They can't tell you how much insulin you are allowed to take. There's absolutely nothing to worry about.

 

The only limit they can give any diabetic is how many bottles of insulin they can buy, based on how much they take daily. For example, the Lantus insulin is taken once or twice per day, and it's always the same amount (I take 20 units of it a day). The pharmacy is required to ask me how much I take per day. There are 1,000 units in a bottle. Because of that, I'm allowed to buy a new bottle of Lantus every month (because I believe shelf life is also 30 days).

 

If a diabetic was using almost 2,000 units a month, they would be allowed two bottles...simple as that.

 

There will never be a restriction on how much insulin you can take per day. This bill doesn't do it, and no Medicaid/Medicare state program does it. Insulin usage is based on how each individual reacts to it, their blood sugars, diet, and overall body of work. Limiting diabetics in that manner would kill many people within months, if not weeks.

 

Not a chance.

 

i dont know how i didnt realize that you need a set amount of insulin per time, wasnt thinking really. but thats good that the new stuff isnt gonna hurt that whole situation

[Real Deal]

i dont know how i didnt realize that you need a set amount of insulin per time, wasnt thinking really. but thats good that the new stuff isnt gonna hurt that whole situation

If he takes injections, that's how it works. If he takes insulin pills, it's the same concept.

 

Injections, he probably takes the 24-hour long Lantus once a day (some split the dosage into two shots), and he takes a shot with every meal, which varies in dosage (and the pharmacy realizes this and doesn't set a limit on that type of insulin).

 

If he's a Type II Diabetic, he takes pills and MAYBE one shot per day. Most control it with the insulin pills and diet, though.

 

Basically, the government can't decrease your dosage, no matter what, especially with a medication that is necessary for you to live. It won't ever, ever happen.

[EastCoastNiner]

This picture explains it all.

 

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Too bad the Democrats can't obey the U.S. Constitution or else this would have never passed.

[reno]

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[Flash]

Ron Paul on the Bill:

 

Healthcare Reform Passes

By Ron Paul

View all 60 articles by Ron Paul

Published 03/22/10

 

 

Following months of heated public debate and aggressive closed-door negotiations, Congress finally cast a historic vote on healthcare late Sunday evening. It was truly a sad weekend on the House floor as we witnessed further dismantling of the Constitution, disregard of the will of the people, explosive expansion of the reach of government, unprecedented corporate favoritism, and the impending end of quality healthcare as we know it.

 

Those in favor of this bill touted their good intentions of ensuring quality healthcare for all Americans, as if those of us against the bill are against good medical care. They cite fanciful statistics of deficit reduction, while simultaneously planning to expand the already struggling medical welfare programs we currently have. They somehow think that healthcare in this country will be improved by swelling our welfare rolls and cutting reimbursement payments to doctors who are already losing money. It is estimated that thousands of doctors will be economically forced out of the profession should this government fuzzy math actually try to become healthcare reality. No one has thought to ask what good mandatory health insurance will be if people can't find a doctor.

 

Legislative hopes and dreams don't always stand up well against economic realities.

 

Frustratingly, this legislation does not deal at all with the real reasons access to healthcare is a struggle for so many — the astronomical costs. If tort reform was seriously discussed, if the massive regulatory burden on healthcare was reduced and reformed, if the free market was allowed to function and apply downward pressure on healthcare costs as it does with everything else, perhaps people wouldn't be so beholden to insurance companies in the first place. If costs were lowered, more people could simply pay for what they need out of pocket, as they were able to do before government got so involved. Instead, in the name of going after greedy insurance companies, the federal government is going to make people even more beholden to them by mandating that everyone buy their product! Hefty fines are due from anyone found to have committed the heinous crime of not being a customer of a health insurance company. We will need to hire some 16,500 new IRS agents to police compliance with all these new mandates and administer various fines. So in government terms, this is also a jobs bill. Never mind that this program is also likely to cost the private sector some 5 million jobs.

 

Of course, the most troubling aspect of this bill is that it is so blatantly unconstitutional and contrary to the ideals of liberty. Nowhere in the constitution is there anything approaching authority for the Federal government to do any of this. The founders would have been horrified at the idea of government forcing citizens to become consumers of a particular product from certain government approved companies. 38 states are said to already be preparing legal and constitutional challenges to this legislation, and if the courts stand by their oaths, they will win. Protecting the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, should be the court's responsibility. Citizens have a responsibility over their own life, but they also have the liberty to choose how they will live and protect their lives. Healthcare choices are a part of liberty, another part that is being stripped away. Government interference in healthcare has already infringed on choices available to people, but rather than getting out of the way, it is entrenching itself, and its corporatist cronies, even more deeply.

[YugoRocketsFan]

No surprise on Ron Paul's view on this, he wants the least government intervention possible when it comes to anything.

[fly3rs18]

If he takes injections, that's how it works. If he takes insulin pills, it's the same concept.

 

Injections, he probably takes the 24-hour long Lantus once a day (some split the dosage into two shots), and he takes a shot with every meal, which varies in dosage (and the pharmacy realizes this and doesn't set a limit on that type of insulin).

 

If he's a Type II Diabetic, he takes pills and MAYBE one shot per day. Most control it with the insulin pills and diet, though.

 

Basically, the government can't decrease your dosage, no matter what, especially with a medication that is necessary for you to live. It won't ever, ever happen.

 

yeah, he just takes pills, he got lucky and didnt get it too bad, but he still does have to watch what he eats to make sure its controlled though

 

but both of his parents have it (not sure of which type or anything), but no one on my moms side has it. so im just hoping that i can get my moms genes on this one

Edited March 23, 2010 by fly3rs18

[Real Deal]

yeah, he just takes pills, he got lucky and didnt get it too bad, but he still does have to watch what he eats to make sure its controlled though

 

but both of his parents have it (not sure of which type or anything), but no one on my moms side has it. so im just hoping that i can get my moms genes on this one

Don't dig too much into that assumption that you'll end up with it just because it runs in your dad's side of the family. It's pretty random. Nobody in my family has had it. I'm the first. Specialists haven't pinpointed how it happens to a person, so while inheriting it seems to be the best answer, it's not THE answer (or at least not the only answer).

 

I will say this much, though: when I was little, I consumed so much damn sugar. I ate cinnamon rolls that my grandfather would bring me every other day, tons of candy, and drank a lot of pop. I ended up getting diabetes when I was 10. Could've sent my pancreas into a permanent sugar shock...who knows. Just something to consider, I guess.

[fly3rs18]

Don't dig too much into that assumption that you'll end up with it just because it runs in your dad's side of the family. It's pretty random. Nobody in my family has had it. I'm the first. Specialists haven't pinpointed how it happens to a person, so while inheriting it seems to be the best answer, it's not THE answer (or at least not the only answer).

 

I will say this much, though: when I was little, I consumed so much damn sugar. I ate cinnamon rolls that my grandfather would bring me every other day, tons of candy, and drank a lot of pop. I ended up getting diabetes when I was 10. Could've sent my pancreas into a permanent sugar shock...who knows. Just something to consider, I guess.

 

it is random, many people get it that have no family history, but having it in your family just increases the chances. its more just something to keep an eye out for because i know that i probably have a higher risk then most people do.

[Lkr]

http://vitalsigns.imedexchange.com/medicare.gif

this is basically all old people in the US

[JYD]

No surprise on Ron Paul's view on this, he wants the least government intervention possible when it comes to anything.

thats why i dont understand your political views. you've said you like ron paul, yet you think communism and socialism are good ideas. makes no sense.

[EastCoastNiner]

Don't dig too much into that assumption that you'll end up with it just because it runs in your dad's side of the family. It's pretty random. Nobody in my family has had it. I'm the first. Specialists haven't pinpointed how it happens to a person, so while inheriting it seems to be the best answer, it's not THE answer (or at least not the only answer).

 

I will say this much, though: when I was little, I consumed so much damn sugar. I ate cinnamon rolls that my grandfather would bring me every other day, tons of candy, and drank a lot of pop. I ended up getting diabetes when I was 10. Could've sent my pancreas into a permanent sugar shock...who knows. Just something to consider, I guess.

 

So, you are alright with cuts in medicare?

 

 

Look, giving everyone health-care in not the problem, it's the astronomical costs that are the problem, and giving people fines for not wanting it is absurd, and the quality of care will only get worse, but this bill will be repealed once the Democrats are voted out of office in November.

 

Also, how does it make any sense to start taxing the living daylights out of people now for a system that won't start for four years?

[EastCoastNiner]

thats why i dont understand your political views. you've said you like ron paul, yet you think communism and socialism are good ideas. makes no sense.

 

For once, I agree with you. .

[JYD]

For once, I agree with you. .

it's confusing me. he keeps saying socialism and communism wouldn't be bad. and then he goes to say ron paul would be our best choice to vote for.

 

From what I've read the bill seems pretty good..$200 billion off our debt over the next 10 yrs too.

[EastCoastNiner]

This bill is bring us towards socialism, and capitalism has worked so well for this country. Never has a system created so much wealth for all and a standard of living the world can only envy. Where else in the world do the poor have cell phones, internet, flat screen tv's, running water, and constant electricity?

 

Look around the world and stop listening to these retards in Washington DC. Other countries with the socialist policeis they're trying to push on us don't even have running water, paved roads, or electricity. And, the countries that do have some of these things are bankrupt and can only dream of being a super power like the US.

 

Truth be told, no system in this worlds history has created so much wealth for all and such a high standard of living as a free market capitalism society has. No system drags people from the bottom of society to a comfortable life like our system here.

 

When people start to realize this is when change will happen. When people realize the real change comes from within, and from the people is when hope will return.

[Real Deal]

This bill is bring us towards socialism, and capitalism has worked so well for this country. Never has a system created so much wealth for all and a standard of living the world can only envy. Where else in the world do the poor have cell phones, internet, flat screen tv's, running water, and constant electricity?

 

Look around the world and stop listening to these retards in Washington DC. Other countries with the socialist policeis they're trying to push on us don't even have running water, paved roads, or electricity. And, the countries that do have some of these things are bankrupt and can only dream of being a super power like the US.

 

Truth be told, no system in this worlds history has created so much wealth for all and such a high standard of living as a free market capitalism society has. No system drags people from the bottom of society to a comfortable life like our system here.

 

When people start to realize this is when change will happen. When people realize the real change comes from within, and from the people is when hope will return.

Ah, yeah, we definitely look like a superpower right now, trillions of dollars in debt and countries looking down on us. Been that way for the last eight or nine years.

 

Maybe we should bomb someone again, start a war and make more money off that...or something.

[YugoRocketsFan]

thats why i dont understand your political views. you've said you like ron paul, yet you think communism and socialism are good ideas. makes no sense.

 

Ron Paul is the most honest politician and the smartest, his ideas are also comparable to mine when it comes to stem-cell research and drug prohibition, hes a constitutionalist, supports seperation of church and state.

 

I think Socialism would be great but what is the likelyhood that America just becomes Socialist? Probably 3%