JYD Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Lol... Most of those guys are overrated because they're dead. Big L was really good, but he's overrated because he died so soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZq3RBEBvps /End thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Fly High Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Renegade was the [expletive] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Lol... Most of those guys are overrated because they're dead. Big L was really good, but he's overrated because he died so soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZq3RBEBvps /End thread. Out of all the videos you could have posted, you posted THAT one? The one where Jay-Z got RIPPED in his own song? Royce Da 5'9 spit better verses in the original Renegade with Em. In Renegade Jay got ripped just like in this freestyle... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfKMIdoJL0 I posted a few Canibus videos and that Big L one, and you posted Em blowing Jay away in his own song, but here is at least one song from each of the rappers I posted before that blow Jay's verses in Renegade out of the water... Nas/AZ:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCnqDvvZrcM Immortal Technique:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M72zVuBNpEA Big Pun:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdAIyC6hYc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 2Pac:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWPnDdj2lLo Rakim:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOeJOtq_xc Biggie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rogvlB2SP4k Mos Def:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycJ5m5Mt9JE /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Oh, and the other thing about Jay-Z is many of his greatest lines are ones he bit from other rappers. Here's 7min of him biting other rappers rhymes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybEZF4Vbe3A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nestle Snipes Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 1. Tupac2. Notorious3. Big L4. Eminem5. Rakim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 jay-z didn't get ripped in his own song. you guys are silly. it's not all about lyrics. i'm done in this thread. preachin to dumbasses like you wiggas is just a waste of motha [expletive]int ime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicbalala245 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) 1. Tupac2. Biggie3. Nas4. Big L5. Eminem Is Jay-Z really better then this guy? Come on now Edited January 1, 2011 by magicbalala245 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 do you guys actually listen to Rakim and KRS-One or do you just throw them on the list because they're pioneers? I personally was never able to get into '80's hip-hop. the sound just doesn't do it for me. I could listen to '90's stuff all day, but the '80's sound is way different and just not appealing imo. I notice Rakim and KRS-One and groups like Public Enemy and Run DMC getting a lot of love, but I think it's mostly because they're some of the first to popularize mainstream hip-hop. if it wasn't for that, they'd probably get no recognition. I don't listen to any '80's hip-hop; being one of the first doesn't make you one of the best.Yeah, I listen to 90% Golden Age Hip-Hop. how could you think he's one of the five best when you don't even like his music?Because I can see how talented he was, his music just doesn't appeal to me. I like a few songs, but for the most part I'm not a big fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) jay-z didn't get ripped in his own song. you guys are silly. it's not all about lyrics. i'm done in this thread. preachin to dumbasses like you wiggas is just a waste of motha [expletive]int imeLOL. You're a [expletive]ing clown. It's impossible to debate with you because you just say "You don't know anything, you're wrong, etc.". Because you have no argument. So you claim to be 'done' and then insult us. Damn... Edited January 1, 2011 by Big Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) Thought i'd post some lyrically great Pac tracks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7JuArhpTB8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjv7hEAytU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=padvnsLUhUM&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdX79pwyBII&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE1FqiDFDbA&feature=related Edited January 1, 2011 by #24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 LOL. You're a [expletive]ing clown. It's impossible to debate with you because you just say "You don't know anything, you're wrong, etc.". Because you have no argument. So you claim to be 'done' and then insult us. Damn...I don't need to debate with you clowns who sit behind you're computer screen and are like OMG BIG L THAT DUDE GOES SOOO HARD. It's not all about lyrical ability. Sure Big L is one of the best of all time and I have mad respect for that dude but you guys just think because they have cool lyrical ability that means that are so great. That's not everything. Jay-Z has the most creative, entertaining, wordplay, and production on his tracks of all time. EVERY album is quality. Look at his longevity. His body of work is far greater then anything immortal tecnhique, mos def, big l, etc. etc. to even put mos def and immortal technique in the same sentence as HOV shows you know nothing and why i don't know what i debate with you morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 I don't need to debate with you clowns who sit behind you're computer screen and are like OMG BIG L THAT DUDE GOES SOOO HARD. It's not all about lyrical ability. Sure Big L is one of the best of all time and I have mad respect for that dude but you guys just think because they have cool lyrical ability that means that are so great. That's not everything. Jay-Z has the most creative, entertaining, wordplay, and production on his tracks of all time. EVERY album is quality. Look at his longevity. His body of work is far greater then anything immortal tecnhique, mos def, big l, etc. etc. to even put mos def and immortal technique in the same sentence as HOV shows you know nothing and why i don't know what i debate with you morons.It's not all about lyrical ability, but that is a big part. Just BTW, you talking about wordplay. Wordplay. Words = Lyrics. Big L couldn't go as long as Jay because he died. That's like saying 'Pac or BIG aren't good because they haven't been in the game as long as Nas or Jay. I didn't bring up Mos Def and I agree that Jay is better than Mos Def. As for Immortal Technique and Jay I enjoy listening to Jay more, but I just feel IT is a much more intelligent and better rapper. I could see how it could be debated either way. Big L however, has the greatest punchlines of any rapper (Something you were praising Wayne for), and had a great flow (See, I'm bringing up something that isn't lyrics.) I don't think it's too far out of reach to say that had he never died L would've been able to keep going just as long as Jay without a significant drop-off. Just curious why you feel the need to insult us all at the end of every post? Why not just have a sensible debate rather than having to stick an insult to everyone who disagrees with you... do you suffer from tourettes? No disrespect if you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Just have a normal debate. JYD, you keep questioning why you keep debating with these *insertwordhere* yet you always respond...I find it kinda funny. Just have a normal debate..everybody's opinions should be respected... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManOnTheMoon Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 jay-z didn't get ripped in his own song. you guys are silly. it's not all about lyrics. i'm done in this thread. preachin to dumbasses like you wiggas is just a waste of motha [expletive]int ime Lol are you serious ? If you could ask any rapper they would say Em murdered Jay on that track...Eminem made Jay look like a rookie in the game on renegade and Jay's lyrics were actually good, which shows how raw Em's verses were. 1.Eminem2. Tupac3. Nas4. Tech N9ne5. Biggie6. Jay Z7. Diabolic8. Outkast9. Immortal10. Snoop11. 50 Royce, Lowkey, etc... Mix of favorites + top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Lol are you serious ? If you could ask any rapper they would say Em murdered Jay on that track...Eminem made Jay look like a rookie in the game on renegade and Jay's lyrics were actually good, which shows how raw Em's verses were. 1.Eminem2. Tupac3. Nas4. Tech N9ne5. Biggie6. Jay Z7. Diabolic8. Outkast9. Immortal10. Snoop11. 50 Royce, Lowkey, etc... Mix of favorites + top.eminem had the best verses on the song but he didn't murder jay-z. it was probably the first and only time anyone has ever outshined jay on his own track. and lol at tech nine ahead of jay-z. gtfo with your wackness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Lol are you serious ? If you could ask any rapper they would say Em murdered Jay on that track...Eminem made Jay look like a rookie in the game on renegade and Jay's lyrics were actually good, which shows how raw Em's verses were. 1.Eminem2. Tupac3. Nas4. Tech N9ne5. Biggie6. Jay Z7. Diabolic8. Outkast9. Immortal10. Snoop11. 50 Royce, Lowkey, etc... Mix of favorites + top.I think this is individual rappers, so you would have to put Andre 3000 and Big Boi seperately instead of just 'Outkast'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManOnTheMoon Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 eminem had the best verses on the song but he didn't murder jay-z. it was probably the first and only time anyone has ever outshined jay on his own track. and lol at tech nine ahead of jay-z. gtfo with your wackness. Aren't you the one who defends Lil Wayne ? That right there should show how little you know of Hip Hop/Rap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Aren't you the one who defends Lil Wayne ? That right there should show how little you know of Hip Hop/Rap.Hahahahah. Sorry I don't listen to Immortal Technique all day...Lmfao Lil Wayne isn't a top rapper of all time though, I don't claim that he is. He's still one of the best punchline rappers out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManOnTheMoon Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Hahahahah. Sorry I don't listen to Immortal Technique all day...Lmfao Lil Wayne isn't a top rapper of all time though, I don't claim that he is. He's still one of the best punchline rappers out. Show me where i said i listen to Immortal Technique all day ? Ok and punchlines make a good rapper ? All his punchlines are about money, hoe's, and cars..His music doesn't tell stores, theres no complicated rhyme scheme, no multis, etc. he's trash. @Big Penny : Oh haha didn't know that. Andre & Big Boi def. on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kadillak Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 If you don't think Eminem murdered Jay on his own track, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, I'm not really a fan of Em at all, and I listen to Jay on a daily basis, but I'm not even going to pretend Jay hung with Em on that track. Seriously, when you do something like that and have a hip-hop slang term named after that feat (people claim someone "Renegaded" another artist when they own them on their own track), there's no arguing it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Gang Starr GANG STARR ISN'T A RAPPER YOU NOOB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) I don't need to debate with you clowns who sit behind you're computer screen and are like OMG BIG L THAT DUDE GOES SOOO HARD. So why should anyone respect YOUR opinion? Because you dig on Lil B's swag? Because you aren't white? Because Drake gets your little panties wet? I'm really curious what exactly it is about JYD that makes you so convinced your opinion is worth more than anyone else's. Edited January 2, 2011 by IllWill21™ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) It's not all about lyrical ability. Sure Big L is one of the best of all time and I have mad respect for that dude but you guys just think because they have cool lyrical ability that means that are so great. That's not everything. Jay-Z has the most creative, entertaining, wordplay, and production on his tracks of all time. Creativity? Jay is pretty clever, and has put out some creative tracks (like 22 Two's), but his creativity isn't anything special compared to some of the greats. Nas is a much, much better example of an extremely creative rapper (I Gave You Power, Rewind, etc...). Wordplay is a part of lyrical ability. Eminem, AZ, and Big Pun all have vastly better wordplay than Jay-Z, and there are other rappers like MF Doom (but shouldn't be mentioned in a top 10 thread IMO) who also have superior wordplay. Some examples: Big Pun:"Dead in the middle of Little Italy little did we knowthat we riddled some middleman who didn't do diddilyI rub your face off the Earth and curse your family's childrenlike Amityville drill the nerves in your cavity fillingInsanity's building up pavilion in my civilianThe cannon be the anarchy that humanity's dealing" AZ:"My verbals rip [expletive]Brains give birth to thoughts in triplets[expletive] it I'm on some flip [expletive]Ready to let my clip spit, dramaticalVocals release shells like automatics doMusic's magical causing any battle to be tragicalI got styles sick as hell, sicker than sickle cell anemia Slaughter your circulatory like lukemiaFilled with larceny, who want parts of meI'm vicious, mad maliciousCause it's real on this road to richesI got this mastered, other rappers'll craft itWeak and wicked camoflauged as killersHow they speak and kick itPeep this uniquenessNonbelievers I'm leaving speechlessLeft to choke and skunk smoke was coming through the speakers" Production? Jay doesn't produce his own tracks, and the production has no bearing on the quality of what you're spitting. EVERY album is quality. Look at his longevity. His body of work is far greater then anything immortal tecnhique, mos def, big l, etc. etc. to even put mos def and immortal technique in the same sentence as HOV shows you know nothing and why i don't know what i debate with you morons. I agree about his longetivity, but that's about the only arguement you can make for Jay being a top 5 rapper. I personally pay more attention how they were at their peaks, which is why I have 4 rappers who died in their 20's in my top 10. From a rapping standpoint, I think IT on Revolutionary Pt. II and Mos Def on BoBS and Blackstar were better than Jay ever was. Edited January 2, 2011 by Nitro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) So here's mine... Did it really quickly, not a ton of thought into it... But you get the gist. 1. Nas2. Rakim3. Big L4. Ice Cube5. Notorious BIG6. Scarface7. Eminem8. Pharoahe Monch9. Common10. Black Thought HM: Xzibit, Andre 3k, Canibus, Big Pun, Lord Finesse EDIT: Left guys like Pac and Jay off because I don't care for them... Just my taste. Edited January 2, 2011 by IllWill21™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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