Bet you wont mess with this guy

[The Truth]

Not even sure what to tell you, then. In that case, he should've punched him right back...so even using the worst comparison possible, you can still prove the kid did wrong.

yeah, he did wrong, but not as much wrong as the skinny kid; that's my point. they both messed up, but the skinny kid is more guilty.

 

Cool...so you're saying you're ignorant to what happened to the skinny kid (the threat of him being handicapped) because you can relate to Casey? Or is it because you feel bad for Casey?

my point was that we always defend family; we'd defend either one of those kids if they were family. honestly bro, you lost as soon as you brought that family argument into the discussion. what matters is who's more at fault; we agree they both messed up, but it's a matter of determining who messed up more. when judges make rulings, they never say, 'well, what if he was family?' they look at the matter from a completely objective standpoint and make the fairest ruling possible. by posting that whole 'well, if this kid was your brother, you'd defend him,' b/s, you just displayed your bias towards the skinny kid; the emotional instinct is overriding your logical side.

 

If the bully was your brother, it would open your eyes? Of course it would. You'd be irate to see someone nearly kill your own brother.

of course, but that has nothing to do with this. we're not related to any of these people; we're looking at it from a neutral bystander's perspective.

 

To reply to you, personally...you supported it. You thought it was awesome that he slammed him the way he did. THEN, you turn around and admit that, if that kid was your brother, you wouldn't approve of it.

I never said I supported it; I've already objected to that several times. I'm glad he stood up for himself, but the particular action he took was wrong.

 

The bully was wrong, and the other kid was wrong.

absolutely; they were all wrong. the bully was wrong for instigating, the victim was wrong for being overly violent, and the bystanders were wrong for just standing around and watching. my argument (and I think this is where we disagree), is that the big kid is less guilty in this case. although he caused the most damage, it never would've happened if the little kid didn't bully him in the first place. you always have to look at the source of the conflict and the source in this case is unarguably the skinny kid; therefore, he's most guilty. if he didn't want to get his ass beat, he shouldn't have bullied someone three times his size. it's that simple.

 

Have you ever taken care of a disabled person? I'm just curious. Someone that's mentally challenged? Someone that is paralyzed? It's really something I don't want you to bother answering...if you have, you wouldn't have posted what you did. If not, I suggest you look at the world a bit differently.

like I've said for the millionth time, I don't condone Casey's actions. I applaud him for standing up for himself, but his actions were wrong. however, in fairness to him, he's a young boy who probably has no idea the damage he could've caused. you can't expect all middle school kids to know the effects of certain injuries. this kid isn't a doctor - he's someone who needed to defend himself. the skinny kid is definitely the guilty one in this case.

[Real Deal]

LOL, I have no bias towards the skinny bully. What makes you think I do? Just because I said something about him being a brother? That makes no sense.

 

Me relating it to family shows that, if there was a bias, you'd change your mind.

 

Me? It doesn't matter if he's my blood or not...what happened to him was very, very dangerous.

 

If I was Casey's dad, I'd jump his ass. He needs to realize that there are other ways to handle it. I wouldn't want my son locked up until he was 18 (or beyond that).

 

All I'm stating is that it's very immature to support the actual bodyslam. You say you don't, but you were pretty damn excited about it. It was horrible.

[Legacy]

Brandon makes some good points. If that kid got killed or paralyzed, then the fat one could be screwed for the rest of his life. There's a fine line between defending yourself and being a psycho.

[The Truth]

^ yeah, but he's just a kid; how many of us were really conscious of potential injuries we could inflict on people when we were ten or twelve? I'm not condoning his actions, but he was only defending himself. he never would've even given that kid a second look if he wasn't bullying him in the first place. the lesson of this, if anything, should be that bullying is unacceptable. if you do it, you risk getting it back twice has hard. if you hit someone or do something to hurt them, they could very well do something much worse to you. so, you say Casey should have been less violent, but the other kid should have been smarter.

 

ultimately, no one's completely innocent - they all committed faults. however, the skinny kid is most guilty for inciting the violence. he brought it upon himself by picking on someone over twice his size. let's say Casey injured the skinny kid and he sued him for medical payments. would I demand Casey cover his medical bills? no. he caused the damage, but it never would've happened if there was no bullying. at some point, people have to be held accountable for their own decisions. case closed. :glasses:

[moeroadkill]

skinny little shit got what he deserved

i skimmed through the posts but that little skinny kid probably teases him every day, its only a matter of time before Casey flips out. do i think his a hero? no, but you gotta stand up for yourself. i bet he never looks at Casey again

if Casey paralyzed him? so what. bulling can cause serious metal health issues and that little skinny guy can be sued, i got no sympathy for the bully

[EastCoastNiner]

Was it dangerous to throw him to the ground like that? Yes, but during the heat of the moment after repeatedly being hit, one in the face, with other people around encouraging the small kid, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the little kid, and if he got badly hurt, it's HIS fault.

 

He should be lucky the bigger kid just threw him down. He's lucky the bigger kid didn't smash him into a wall, start throwing haytmakers, and then cherry-bombing that little punks ass.

 

I think the little kid got out of this situation a LOTTTTTT easier than he would have against other kids.

[The Truth]

skinny little shit got what he deserved

i skimmed through the posts but that little skinny kid probably teases him every day, its only a matter of time before Casey flips out. do i think his a hero? no, but you gotta stand up for yourself. i bet he never looks at Casey again

if Casey paralyzed him? so what. bulling can cause serious metal health issues and that little skinny guy can be sued, i got no sympathy for the bully

Was it dangerous to throw him to the ground like that? Yes, but during the heat of the moment after repeatedly being hit, one in the face, with other people around encouraging the small kid, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the little kid, and if he got badly hurt, it's HIS fault.

 

He should be lucky the bigger kid just threw him down. He's lucky the bigger kid didn't smash him into a wall, start throwing haytmakers, and then cherry-bombing that little punks ass.

 

I think the little kid got out of this situation a LOTTTTTT easier than he would have against other kids.

lol ok, this makes me feel a lot better. sometimes I see some people's arguments and I instantly start to fear for the future of our nation. it seems some people thought the skinny kid was less guilty, even though he incited the violence, had his friends tape it, and threw multiple blows before Casey even did anything. the skinny's kid's at fault here, no question.

Edited March 16, 2011 by The Truth

[Dr. Feelgood]

The fact that the Rat and his friends decided to pick on someone while recording it to humiliate him (as I assume they were going to put it up on Facebook and Youtube as soon as they were done picking on the victim), I think the Rat got what he deserved. Sure, the body slam was very dangerous and it could have messed the Rat up beyond the intention, but he thought in his mind that it would be a good idea to start a fight, to look badass in front of his friends, to try and impress the girls standing by, to put it up for the world to see, only to get his ass kicked. I'm not for the body slam but I am definitely for Casey standing up for himself. And like the Truth said, they're kids. They aren't thinking about the possible risks that they can cause to each other. Casey took care of the Rat the best way he thought he could on instinct and fast thinking. He's not standing there trying to process the most efficient way to stop the Rat, he just got punched in the face, had to block at least 2-5 more punches thrown by the kid with others cheering the Rat on, he reacted instantly. The Rat shouldn't have started anything to begin with. He took the risk of picking on someone almost three times his size and in the end, he paid for it.

[Real Deal]

sometimes I see some people's arguments and I instantly start to fear for the future of our nation.

You're full of really immature, smartass remarks, huh? Says a lot about the future of our nation?

 

it seems some people thought the skinny kid was less guilty

Guess that makes me fear for the future of our nation, because obviously, you're misinterpreting what EVERYONE has said in this topic. Not a single person said he was less guilty. No one.

 

You're stumbling over your own posts, dude. I made it clear as day that the skinny punk got what he deserved, but thank God he wasn't paralyzed and Casey wasn't put away for years. Does that translate to me saying he's less guilty? Nope, in no way, shape or form.

 

But there's something I know. Your way of gaining support in a debate like this is to try and twist that around. People will read your last post and, lazily, fall for the misdirection and believe that I'm supporting the bully.

 

It's bad enough you gave this initial reply:

[expletive]ING BOSS. I feel no sympathy for that little kid whatsoever.

Then you assumed (inaccurately) that, to be paralyzed, you must land directly on your spine.

 

It's really too bad you're going about it that way, and I have a feeling you would feel absolutely no sympathy if "Ritchard" was paralyzed from this incident (almost certain, actually), which would be as low as you could possibly get.

[The Truth]

You're full of really immature, smartass remarks, huh? Says a lot about the future of our nation?

it's just my honest opinion. this country's full of ignorance.

 

Guess that makes me fear for the future of our nation, because obviously, you're misinterpreting what EVERYONE has said in this topic. Not a single person said he was less guilty. No one.

yeah, but I think it was insinuated by a couple people. if I'm wrong, then my apologies.

 

You're stumbling over your own posts, dude. I made it clear as day that the skinny punk got what he deserved, but thank God he wasn't paralyzed and Casey wasn't put away for years.

that's not what you were arguing. you were saying Casey went overboard and should have done something less harmful.

 

Does that translate to me saying he's less guilty? Nope, in no way, shape or form.

so then what's your stance? no two people are ever exactly as guilty as the other. one of them is more at fault here.

 

But there's something I know. Your way of gaining support in a debate like this is to try and twist that around. People will read your last post and, lazily, fall for the misdirection and believe that I'm supporting the bully.

I don't think I influenced anyone's opinion. if I did, I'm honored, but I think everyone formulated their own opinion here.

 

It's bad enough you gave this initial reply:

 

Then you assumed (inaccurately) that, to be paralyzed, you must land directly on your spine.

I don't get what's so bad about that post. I was happy Casey stood up for himself, so I called him a boss. it's also true that I feel no sympathy for the skinny kid. he brought it upon himself by bullying. if he didn't want to stand in harm's way, he should have left people alone.

 

It's really too bad you're going about it that way, and I have a feeling you would feel absolutely no sympathy if "Ritchard" was paralyzed from this incident (almost certain, actually), which would be as low as you could possibly get.

I would most definitely sympathize with him if he became paralyzed. I'm not so evil as to not care if people suffer serious injury or death. in fact, when someone dies or something happens to someone, I'm usually the one here making a thread about it. I'm not exactly sure what makes you think I'm that incredibly heartless, but I'm used to people misjudging me.

[moeroadkill]

this is spreading pretty fast, its been talked about on our local radio stations and all of the callers %100 backed up casey

[EastCoastNiner]

I understand why people think it was dangerous of him to do that, but I honestly think the bigger kid thought it was easier than just punching and pounding the kid. He threw the kid ONCE instead of pummeling him with haymakers.

 

He was giving the kid an easy pass, and the little kid is lucky that the bigger kid didn't get more pissed off because many bigger kids WOULD have paralyzed that kid and put him into a medically induced coma by slamming his head on the ground,

Edited March 16, 2011 by EastCoastNiner

[EastCoastNiner]

Would you rather be the kid that gets rocked in this video, or the kid that gets thrown down just once? I'll take one body slam over the potential of all of the damage that could have been done to the punk in this video.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VcQO3pvywE

 

 

Also, I saw a comment on this video that the punk had quarters in his hands which is why his fists were clinched, and I think you can see them around the 37-38 second mark. That's a bitch move.

 

You may want to watch the video on mute..............

Edited March 17, 2011 by EastCoastNiner

[Makaveli]

Damn, that landing was hard. Kid deserved it though.

[Jenneral]

Kid seems really smart. I agree with what he did 110%. Glad his family supports him as much as they do too.

[SRV]

Seems like a nice guy, and he is really smart. I could only imagine how he felt though, he said his friends ditched him and he has been bullied his entire life. Good to see that he is happy now.

[ChosenOne]

Damn i cant stop watching that video.

 

Im super glad that he [expletive]ing body slammed that 50 pound kid who was acting like a badass. I wish the video was longer so we could see the kid who got slammed cry like a little bitch. Mad props to him.

[Multi-Billionaire]

This kid must be watching WWF...

[EastCoastNiner]

After watching that interview last night, and watching some other videos about Casey, my stance on this video has only become stronge.

 

1. Casey should not have been suspended. He was CLEARLY defending himself. He did NOT initiate the fight. He stood there, and let the kid hit him. After being repeatadly assulted, he defended himself and slammed the liltte piece of shit. He did not continue to pound the little dweeb, but instead walked away after DEFENDING himself. It's a clear act of self-defense, and he should appeal his suspension.

 

2. That little dweeb and his friends should all be suspended for a long time. They have been bullying Casey for years, and they deserve all they harm that is hopefully comnig their way. I don't like wishing injury upon people, but every person that was apart of that should get what''s coming for them, especially that little shit.

 

 

That little punk is lucky as hell Casey was nice enough not to obliterate him and rip him into a billion pieces. It seems almost everyone who has watched the video is 100% in Casey's corner, except for a few people, some of them here, that think he shouldn't have defended himself, or should have punched or hit the little dweeb in some other manner than slamming him. It's honestly quite sad some of you have that view. Casey did EVERYTHING right in that situation. Not one thing did he so that was wrong, not one.

[EastCoastNiner]

Here's an interviwe with the little dweeb.

 

[EastCoastNiner]

And, further proof this kid is a douche-bag.

 

http://i.imgur.com/JC3ls.jpg

[Lkr]

the little guy seems like that little whiny kid that always gets away with everything and won't own up to what he did

[Dr. Feelgood]

He's really an awesome kid. At the end of the video, when his dad said that you can definitely see he has more confidence in himself and that he walks a little bit taller with so many people behind him on this, that's gotta be a great feeling for him now. That one incident changed his entire life for the better.

[Makaveli]

This Casey kid seems really smart and laid back. For as long as i've seen and been a victim to some bullying, i've realized that the only way to stop it is to take out the main bully (whether mentally or physically).

 

That little punk who started all this deserved every little bit of what he got. People gotta realize bullying can really [expletive] up some kids heads and some of them actually do end up in mental institutions.

 

And why the hell would that little piece of shit say that he's as much of a victim as the kid he bullied? You don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you, as easy as that. You [expletive] with somebody and eventually, sooner or later it'll all come back to you.

[Guru]

That skinny kid is full of shit