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Ariza is probably acting that way (as a leader) and playing harder so he doesn't lose his role within the five, as a primary option, now that McGrady has returned (and assuming T-Mac will be 100% soon). Jeff Green is so underrated.

Finally a solid performance for Rose (one that leads to a win). Smith was having trouble all game long with that right hand, though...missed plenty of layups and short jumpers, and he didn't go for blocks that he should've easily had.

Please. You just aren't over the loss yet, so you brought it up by posting what I quoted. Here, let me do what you did...

And Bynum not so much, since Gasol's return. It always seems like Pau is right there before Odom and Bynum, almost every chance he gets.

And your post about it in another topic I saw, don't remember which, about how it was fine if "the Refs and the Cavs" beat you guys. Anything else?

YEAHHH! Bogut pushed Evans on that loose ball, no foul called, so Evans shook him up and won the game. Awesome, awesome finish.

Yeah, he picked up four of his fouls in eight minutes, the last two in 2-3 minutes. Really efficient player we have on defense! Kobe is probably done for the night, we're up by more than 20...quick turnaround once he took over, and Odom did have a hand in that, crashing the boards all of a sudden. Now it's Gasol's turn to pad his numbers a bit, lol.

Bynum fouls out with 8:24 left in the fourth, after playing just 11 minutes. Wow. Bryant throws another assist to Farmar, turns the ball over (gotta limit those TO's), and the Lakers are up 19. Good block on CDR by Kobe!

Kobe is doing what he wants now. The Lakers were down by a few, Kobe now has them up by nearly 20 after a quick 11-12 points, an assist or two and about 3-4 rebounds.

Shot left Iggy's fingers after the buzzer. OT.

Guess who won't be posting on the site for a month if he continues throwing out personal attacks? Stop bitching in every topic. You whined in the Cavs/Bucks topic, still whining in here, and now you're taking shots at me, which is a big mistake. Don't give me a better reason to smile. ----- And Mason, like I said, I guess the referees better start doing their job inconsistently, then, to satisfy you. It seems like you're usually the one complaining about refs these days, looking back at your posts, in both the NBA and NFL. By the textbook, it's a charge. By 20 years of NBA basketball (and high school, and college), it's not. Pretty weird.

As I typed that, Bryant grabbed his eighth board, leading the team in points, rebounds and assists tonight (17/8/5). EDIT: 19 points.

Well, Bynum doesn't know how to stay in the game without committing four fouls in eight minutes (really?) and Gasol isn't giving us much. And, as I suspected, Harris is playing like he's a superstar. Go Kobe?

Shot doesn't have anything to do with the foul. Are you telling us you can't be called for a blocking foul if the opposition is passing the ball? He had position, he changed position. Once you change, you're not in position anymore. You can move a foot after finding position, but you can't shuffle both feet to adjust your entire body, as Bogut did. I'm not done only because I'm bored as hell, waiting for the Saints to come on. Just trying to educate a few around here, really. I'm sure I've been to more camps than you, and I'm sure I've also assisted in more camps, so when coaches stress to us what a blocking foul is, on both the high school and college basketball level, it applies to any game...especially since you're talking "basic basketball" with all of us. Order of events: 1) Bogut sets. 2) Kobe spins. 3) Bogut shuffles BOTH feet, re-positioning his body in front of Bryant after the spin and during contact with Bryant's right shoulder (if any at all). Question asked: 1) The rules state that all you have to do is be in front of the player to be in legal position, neither feet needing to be on the floor. Why are fouls called, multiple times, on bigs who jump with their arms straight up? 2) Why are fouls called, multiple times, on bigs who don't jump, yet have their arms up, when the offensive player initiates contact? 3) To get into legal position, you move. To maintain it, you stay put. Why move again? If anything, you have a case that it could be called either way...but using what you've said in the past, I don't see enough conclusive evidence that it was a charge, especially when Bogut's feet shuffled. You said that in most cases, they call blocking foul with shuffling feet. So, as I said, it is almost always (consistently) called a blocking foul. It shouldn't have changed versus the Bucks. My side of the argument really is done now. I'm out for dinner.

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Pushing for the Kings in this one. I don't think I've ever rooted for Sacramento in my life, but there's a first for everything. If they lose, I just hope Tyreke kills it. Best rookie in the league.

Gathering the shot happens when you pick up the ball. Bogut's right foot moved back, then forward, left foot slid to the left and back a bit. How about six pictures to show you? Hell, there was hardly any contact to begin with, so I could argue it was a big flop, no foul at all, if anything. http://i50.tinypic.com/243g68k.jpg [mason]You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.[/mason]

February game.

I have other things to discuss on the forums, don't have time for this. Most of the site saw the opposite of what you saw, the referees did, I did, and Kobe did. You're wrong. Translate the rules a little better and watch much more basketball to see how many blocking fouls are actually called when a player's feet are still moving before you enter a discussion like this again, dude. The only time you ever discuss anything Kobe is in situations like this (you argued this when he dunked over Nash a long time ago, too), and the only time you discuss LeBron is when it involves something negative about him. You're quick to dive into any topic involving both players, and you won't listen to what anyone else says because, for some crazy reason, you believe you're right all the time. Blocking foul, possibly no continuation due to the travel, basic basketball and basic logic, everyone knows it and the discussion is over as far as I'm concerned. Have fun talking to yourself.

LOL, don't translate that the wrong way, Mason. That's not saying he can slide over, it's saying that he can move his body. See your next quote: Both feet on the floor. So let's go back to logic: when you move your feet, that means that you don't have both feet on the floor. Did Bogut float with both feet staying on the floor? He moved to get in front of Bryant, who was already going for the shot. He didn't teleport there, he didn't float, and he didn't slither. He shuffled, scooted, stepped, whatever...but he moved into ANOTHER position on the floor, which means he wasn't in position. How does this not sink in? Give up. You're just Pete Repeating yourself because you know you have no argument.

Man, I'm so sick of the NFL.

Yeah, dude, I'm sure I could find many, many clips of blocking fouls that would negate what you're saying, too. Anderson Varejao has drawn plenty of them moving into position. Fisher picks up a few blocking fouls doing the exact same thing, also, although he also draws a lot of charges. Too bad the Lakers fans from TLN aren't here, because this was something they proved wrong last year, when Flop Scola kept doing it to us, and they showed just how many of those were actually charges, and just how many times Fisher gets called for a blocking foul for doing what you're saying Bogut did. Hahaha, right, because that's all it's about for you. Kobe always travels, fouls, and never gets hit when going to the rim. He's always getting the benefit of his calls, and the Lakers are the most favored team in the NBA. I already know.

I think it was an OT game back in 2005, if I remember right (and I know for a fact it was in NY). Knicks won by a basket.

You didn't even answer the question. Why adjust if you're in position? He was adjusting because he wasn't in position. I can't believe that's so hard to understand. Moving his feet over more means he moves his body over more. Are his feet connected to his legs, connected to his body? Or are you telling me his body stayed in the same position, and his feet acted on their own and moved for no reason? There are no rules against adjusting when you have position, but there are rules saying that you have to be IN POSITION. To get in position, you have to move your feet. Moving your feet gets you in position. If you continue to move your feet, you continue to get into position. Basic logic is overwhelming in a debate about basic basketball. The dictionary defines adjusting as "to bring the parts of to a true or more effective relative position." Old position to new position...he wasn't in position. You're wrong.